You certainly don't sound like a "whiner" to me Scorpio..each person's pain is very real and should never be judged or scoffed at by others in my opinion...and you're right..I am not experiencing the same thing as you...but as a mother I can certainly put myself in your place...and I know I would be as devastated and feeling as lonely as you do...feel free to come here whenever you need an open ear or a warm heart...Dotsie created a soft place for all of us to fall...we can get through this whole aging gracefully thing together...what is it they say about safety in numbers? This forum makes me feel "not so alone"...I'm hoping you will feel that too.... [Smile]