hmm, words like "evil genius" and "criminal mastermind." Interesting. My father was a volunteer fire fighter. He was interested in the drama, chaos, macho, hero complex. I guess he was not getting enough attention at the department. One night, he set a fire. When the call came over the in-house radio that dispatched his department to fires, he was the first to get to the scene. He got his name in the paper for putting out a fire that he started in order to get attention as a hero! This was in the 1960's. When he committed suicide, his mother had in her wallet not a picture of him, but that story of him as a "hero" in the newspaper. 30 years later, when I was researching my father's life and death, I contacted his hometown newspaper for any other stories, and sure enough, that item on him came up! So my personal experience says that there is a potential for "copy cat" crimes in order for some sick maniac to get his 15 minutes of fame. I'm sure that in forensic psychology/sociology there are plenty of journal articles in regards to copy cat criminal behavior.

I get so torn up over these things, after i first read it it worried me to the point i could't sleep.

But you'v a very fair point chatty and others if someone dosent expose it then it lives and thrives in darkness.....nuthing get's dun.

The whole copycat thing's worrieing too becouse some people are influenced by what they read and see....not made do becouse of what they read just influenced.......but then you'r dealing with a mind on the verge anyway if they close to commiting thse types of acts.

The main pont is dose society as a whole become desensitized to the pain and sufferring of people as each story gets replaced by an equally shocking story???? then society gets into a place of complancency.....to the point that the lesser crimes are viewd as not that bad afterall in the light of ....XY or Z.

I don'tcare to know what pain and sufferring thse adults endured to have a mind and a hart that commited this crime agenst a baby.....the only thing is they weren't brought up in an atmosphere of love and kindness wear respect to all sentient beings was promoted in their househole.

I still don't think that any one persons pain gives them permission to act or live out that pain on another....we all have personal responcibilitie for all we do, regardless of weer we came from, that includes standing agenst my owen sence of apathy or what diffrence dose it make anyway....

i just get to lost to the horrer of it all...i really dislike bullieing or the week or vulrible being prayed on or abused in any fashion, the young or the elderly or even vulrible adults, for whatever reason.....

In all honesty if i was the judge i could't go easy on thse adults for whatever pain was in their past....becouse they chose to act out on it in this way....But i also got an understanding that their something far wrong with thse adult's.....in a sence their someone elses victum's of something....I have ofen worked or been involved in treatment of adults who are on self destruct or destruct of everyone else....The one thing in common that they all had was pain in their formitive years or afterwards to such a great extent it warped them.....and i still don't think it justifies their actions becouse of the responcibility as a active adult...but it dose shed some understanding.....of or on the why's.....

Just for me the why's are important i fell safer when i can understand a thing.....but also how do you stop this spreadding on a personal level.

For me it's the erriadicasion of fear and harshment and pain...and the moving in of love and genuine respect for others..the constant understanding and valueing of all other's, seeing them as who they are, truly are a child of the universe another child of god....in any and all situasions.

i still haven't gotten angery about this i am still stuck in the horrer and distress of it.... if you can stand this type of information swimming abouit your head and it dosent leave you too afraid or feeling vulrible or worse becomming inpartiole to anyone else pain then great, seriously then that's weer and how action can be taken to stop such types of actions agenst anyone....

It's just appropriate punishment needs to be taken but at the same time a shift in puplic concisness and understanding to the extent of the hurt we really can do to another...that may lead them to a place of brutallity in some future?

the threads reallty intrestting with all it's twist and turns and diffreing view's and reactions from you all.

i have just been avoiding comming back in couse it upset me the first time...and i can live with that my upset nuthing compared to the pain of that child...

one comphort (for me anyway) is that no matter what is or isent dun in responce to thse types of crimes heer then in the after life something will be dun about it, ...i can't see thse actions being compatible with any god i have read abouts law's on living right....their always some form of consiquence at the end of days...

i will leave at that for fear of rambling, if not already dun so

Celtic_flame

You don't ramble, Celtic_flame. I hear from where you are coming from. I couldn't react immediately to this post either. Some atrocities are just beyond words.

Believe it or not I almost didn't post this topic but I realized I was not helping anyhone by being silent. Its sad and horrific but must be kept to the forefront so harsher punishments will become a reality. Great answer Celtic Flame.

Celtic, no, you did not ramble. I appreciate your insight and information. I relate to what you said about the "whys" of it; if I know why and how it's a way of understanding. But some things are just not in our ability to understand. How can we make sense of something that makes no sense? I do believe that society is desensitized to horrific crime. We see fantasy crime on TV, in movie, in video games. It's not right! Also, there does need to be a shift in the collective consciousness to a love and light perspective. I was one of those people that you see who are self-destructive. I had to escape the pain. I thought by destroying myself I would eradicate the pain. I never wanted to hurt another, only myself. But I learned through a spiritual transformation that I was hurting God by destroying myself for God had created us in love and light. Even me. I think that those who harm others have lost their God consciousness. Will harsher punishments deter the deranged from committing crimes? For example, my father did not care about punishment. He was so warped he had no connection between actions and consequences. He would never NOT do a thing because he might get caught or punished. He'd just go ahead and do it, and try to worm his way out of the consequences if/when he was caught. What can we do? All we can do now is pray for the innocent souls that have been harmed.

But I learned through a spiritual transformation that I was hurting God by destroying myself for God had created us in love and light. Even me. ......Hope i have dun the quote bit right , it's lynees words

Do you know what's really sweet the "even me" bit....i had the same trouble.... it was inicually easier to belive others were children of god or the universe ...than applieying it to me....aint it great when the penny drops that we are too.....

Yea lynn you just summed up pricisly what it took paragraphs to work around in my head, and still didn't nail wat i was trying to say lol .....it is the loss of the devine conection (lynn's quote, thanks) ......that leads to horrible acts being dune

Anyone's hurt and pain can go anyway inwards or outwards, it just look's for destruction....

I don't now how to word this so that it dosent sound patrinising, lynn.....but heer goes anyway..

the cool thing is you relized you'r personal responcibility...took charge and changed it....stoped what could easily been a chain reaction of crulty being passed throw the generasions from happening. Thats commendiable.

I twitter a lot about god... but hay.....I think that's all thats asked of us we just relize who and what we truly are...well perhapps not all but a big bit of it anyway

celtic_flame

Posted by celtic:

The main pont is dose society as a whole become desensitized to the pain and sufferring of people as each story gets replaced by an equally shocking story???? then society gets into a place of complancency.....to the point that the lesser crimes are viewd as not that bad afterall in the light of ....XY or Z.

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This is exactly what I see happening with the younger generations and it's scary. Between the news, television, and games they are allowed to play, some are clueless about the extent and consequences of the crime.

celtic, twittering about God is a good thing. It shows spiritual growth. If you weren't twittering, you wouldn't be considering what He's calling you to do. Twitter away!

Down here in Florida there have been numerous reports of bored teenagers beating homeless people to death. After the first report there seemed to be a rash of them so I consider them copycats. How can these boys think that beating people to death is better than being bored? Doesn't anyone read anymore? Where are their parents, their school systems, their values, ethics, morals...

I agree, where are their parents? Locally, gangs are rampant and innocent non-gang related individuals are caught in the cross-fire. Both children and adults are victimized and some fatally. Sadly, a dog was found in an abandoned school building, abused and then set on fire. A $5,000 reward is now available in FL & SC to catch the gang suspects.

I have been holding back on this topic, mostly because I still don't know how to respond. But, I am going to try my best.

Weighing in on the Copy Cat issue. I believe that we should be informed of horrific issues and do not believing in living in denial or oblivion. However, I see no point in sensationalizing any story the way that Nancy Grace did on her show. Keep us informed, we don't need to be entertained (yes, I do consider this type of reporting as entertainment, albiet sick entertainment).

I have another thought about this topic, but I need to consider what it is I really want to say before I post anymore.