Thanks Hannelore...your testimony has been placed on our site.

thanks, LadyJane, for looking. You won't be disappointed!!

Yes, Dotsie, I am aware of the products you use. After the RX, I would move to some of the products from Estee Lauder.(Yes, Estee!) The labs at Estee have come up with some amazing products that many of my friends use like religon. I like one product I used for awhile before Retin A. I will provide the URL's.

You see, Lancome has labs to help them create new products. the company, if you are not aware, that has Lancome, also has Clinque, Estee' Lauder, Lancome, Origins and I'm sure MAC. They have plenty of money to use science to create product. There is one product that women swear by, it flies out the door and is made by Estee Lauder.

This is your "NUMBER ONE, money is no object, used by the stars, buy-only-the-moisturizer if that is all you can buy"
product line. The cream is used by every single famous woman I know and if one of my friends cannot afford the line they buy the moisterizer and swear it is amazing:

http://www.cremedelamer.com/index.tmpl?ngextredir=1

It does not get any better than Creme de la Mer!

Next, it's Estee, believe it or not. This product has a cult following and I've used it, it's good,very good:

http://www.esteelauder.com/templates/pro...UCT_ID=PROD1928

All of Estee's products for the skin are as ground breaking as it gets. They do change the skin for the better and I've tried them, they work. The research is there and the money for it is there too!

There is a product line by their sister line, Lancome, and it is about firming your face with compounds that will lift your face and leave it firm while working on it. You can find that by searching Lancome for their skin care products. They have not gotten any more popular so far as I know. It's still Estee for many women.

Other companies that are good are

Murad
Ole Henriksen

Besides La Mer, almost every woman who is excited about make up that I know and what I hear about when I am boutique hopping, is, of course, Botox. I'm sure you know about Botox so I won't bother with it, unless you'd like more info.

Hope this helps,
dancer

Hannelore,
Your husband is very cute, huh? Well... There are exercises that affect the neck and most of them involve weights and working our your arms. I could describe them but you would be better off getting a book on basic weight training and doing the arm exercises! You get 3lb. weights and no more in the beginning. You do the exercises very slowly at first and make sure the book gives instructions that are detailed as to how to do the lift correctly. You could join a gym, of course, and ask for an arm program but it's a lot easier to me to do at home.

Next to that, there is tape. Yes, there is tape that is used by actresses and it tapes up the chin and hides under the hair! Before plastic surgery, this was the thing they did! They hid that tape in their hair and often wore high necked dresses!

Lastly their is plastic surgery. It is the best way to rid yourself of something like that in a permenant and relativelyy safe way. Sometimes a part of our body gives out before the rest.. This is unfortunate and in this case, plastic surgery should be considered if it will make you feel better in if you are an extreme case! If you are teasing and are not an extreme case, don't worry about surgery! If you consider surgery, have it focus on only that part and do not have yourself lifted all over so you look twenty with tight eyes! Aging is beautiful and again, only in extreme cases of something on a person's body, REALLY going bad faster than the rest of you should you consider doing it!

What do you think? Is it that bad? Remember, we all must embrace our wrinkles so if you are just wrinkling there, well you are part of a large, large club! If it is really strange, what is happening, THAT is a cause to save up the pennies to do something about it!

Let me know what you think!

dancer

Dancer, … thank you for your long answer. (that just rhymed)…
See?… You are like a poem.

Your advice is excellent.

I think I have to really work on my acceptance problem. I would only resort to plastic surgery before having to tuck my chin in my bra.

Seriously the idea about lifting weights is excellent. We have a fitness room with all kinds of weights. So instead of just looking at them, I’ll use them for a change, …and regularly. Thanks so much for the motivation.

Hannelore

Hannelore before lifting those weights, get a coach, or video that shows you how to lift to build strengh, NOT muscle. I wouldn't want to have to call you Hanneswanagger...But seriously there is a big difference...

Hannelore,
You are hilarious! Your chin in your bra! LOLOLOL You might appreciate this:
I've known my husband, as I've said, since we were kids. I would play at his house and once, when we were kids, his mother won "Miss Nude San Diego!" She did it at 40 with some of the first breast implants. She was so rude she sent us all, even her sons, at T-shirt with the winning photo on it and her ribbon down between her fake breast that said her title! My husband was a kid then and he cracked, "Mom, I'll settle for the pin." LOL. She once made me touch them to see "how real they feel," and I was so sheltered at my home that I was scared and I was about 14 so I took my finger as she towered over me telling me "touch them, touch them!" I poked one gently and was horrified because it was hard!
Later on, she had on slip down to her waist! She had quick surgery to lift it back up again. Later than that, she had new ones put in because the warrenty on them is not so good, lol.

Later, when we were older, she had her husband die, my husband's step father whom she did not live with but nursed though cancer for the life insurance, (she openly told us this,) and she had plans. She was in her 60's by then and as my husband put it, she had so many lifts her belly button was on her neck," lol. My mother in law was a plastic surgery queen.

She also died her hair red and all of us used to duck when it was time because she asked us to help. It was naturally dark but she poured this fire red stuff on it and it turned red alright, but like cotten candy it was so damaged!
Her name was Geraldine but she was called Jerry and then "Rusty," for most her life because of her hair!

Once my brother saw her get out of her corvette in cut offs at about 40 and he was about 14, he said to me, "what's that, an aging sex symbol?" LOL.

It was hilarious! She traded husbands until she died, and she died in a head on collision about 2 years ago. It was tough losing a charcter like her!

Fun times, huh? she was also a nudist with her second husband and tried to get us to go to blacks beach with her and her spouse all the time! My husband and I, kids, refused to go no matter how they tried to bribe us.

She was an interiour decorater. She had wall paper in her bedroom with all of the roman sexual positions on it! Her bathroom wall paper in the bedroom said F*ck taxes, F' this, F'that, in all different directions! It was a den of ill repute in that room! She was NUTS!

My husband grew up conservative as it gets! He rebeled by being conservative as she tried to show us porn so we could "learn about sex!" We said NO, and left that day! She even tried to get my husband to learn about sex by being with one of her girlfriends! It was a nightmare as she played out her fantasies after a straight marriage with rules to my husbands father. She was Catholic like him and they had a normal life, but after he divorced her for cheating on him, she went wild!!

Just a hell of a character, my mother in law Rusty! She did not want a wrinkle! She almost spent all of the life insurance having all that done to her body when she was 60!

Yes, Plastic surgery, (and we were in CA then,) can get nuts!
Her love life did not quit when she was 60 either, ask me about it! GAWD!

Your photo is beautiful as I'm sure you are! You are my lovely Hannelore who likes to play with make up product, hair product and clothing just like me!

I will have new picutures on my site this year from some clothing I wore for an ad, when I called myself the "baby boomer model." I'll tell you when they post.
I am writing in my blog now on my site and it's getting updates!

Stay fun, Hannelore! Ask all you want, I love sharing secrets with you.
I am giving out the secret fo puffy eyes in a PM because we try to keep it a secret so the price stays low and demand does not get high. So, if anyone has the problem, PM me and I'll show you the product we all use secretly. But,...you have to keep the secret.

See how special you guys are to me?

Bye Hannelore,
Dancer9

dancer
you lift my spirit ..your tips are appreciated and better than any glossy magazine
Mountian ash

Thank you, Mountain Ash,
Luv,
dancer

Dancer, I thought about plastic surgery but no doctor will take me on because I take prednisone. The side effects of that drug are awful. One is not healing well.

Hannelore, the only neck muscles are trapezius going down the side and linking to shoulders -- workout will not affect chin area, or anything other than trapezius. There are some little connectors (ligaments? not sure, but NOT muscles) by your jawline. What I've heard -- I'm a trained weight lifter and know all about that but not much about beauty stuff -- is this: open your mouth as wide as possible, then close your mouth by bringing your jaw all the way forward. You should feel the tension/stretch the whole time. I have no idea if this actually works, but it won't hurt to try.