It sounds to me like you need to go see Betty-Boops Doctor Pitt. [Roll Eyes] She suffered for so long seeing one Quack after another and got nothing but very strong pain pills, alot of head shaking and the suggestion of surgery and then God brought her to Dr. Pitt (don't know his real name.) She hasn't had so much as a twinge since seeing him in his pain clinic. I'm so sorry for your discomfort and its nit whiiining either.. [Wink]