Let's set aside all of our political aspirations of the Hilary's and the Condi's for just a moment and answer one question. You say what he did with his personal life in office AS PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. was HIS AND HILARY's business. I disagree. What he did/does whatever as the TOP political leader of this country is visible and should be. I'm not asking about other political leaders here, but Bill. Just Bill. The former President. But that isn't even my question.

By his cheating on his wife and getting caught, WHAT MESSAGE did Bill, AS PRESIDENT, send out to the youth of not only this country, but of the world? And you say this doesn't matter?

JJ

Amen sister! To quote my former boss: "The character of the kingdom eminates from the character of the king." Dr. Edwin Louis Cole, founder Christian Men's Network

Bill set an example that will be followed by the impressionable generation that was coming up during that time.

We will ALL continue to pay for his indiscretions in the future, as new leaders display the same gross negligence, amoral attitude and general disregard for anything sacred.

I would never vote for Hillary. She may have grace under pressure, but she sold her soul for power. Any woman (or man) that allows herself to be degraded publically by the indescretions of a cheating husband--all for the sake of gaining power is a very dangerous woman indeed. If she will sell herself, her self esteem and worth--what makes us think she wouldn't 'sell' America for a chance at even more power?

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Not only did he disgrace the office, he lied to his nation about it. I could never trust him on anything he says or does, same with Hil and I too was thoroughly disgusted by the bored look she had on her face during President Bush's speech. That isn't the only time she's been caught on camera acting stupid.

Throw stones if you must, but I'm not sure if I would ever vote for a woman president period. Why? I am one! I know the ups and downs and the mood swings and the hormones. Heaven forbid if we put a menopausal woman in office with her finger on the red button...lol.

Lighten up everyone. I love you all.

Sherri

POLITICS, DEATH and TAXES things we can do nothing about....sad but true. Sorry Norma for losing my cool, didn't mean it to sound personal.

Chatty, I agree with you .

I was not going to say anything in this thread , but just had too. Personally I like Hilary Clinton . John Kennedy was a ladies man , also and so was his father. I would like to see a women president . Hilary is my age and proud of it. We all have that right on here to voice our opinions whether we agree to disagree. There much to say about Bush acting stupid .

anyone remember david and bathsheeba? david's indiscretions with bathsheeba effectively neutralized his ability to lead. his mistakes were carried into the next generation and eventually brought his reign to an end.

if you look at the story for its merits, whether you believe in a literal interpretation of the bible or not, even if you don't believe in the bible at all, there is a lesson there about the basics of leadership.

to effectively lead people and keep your credibility intact, you need to keep your own house tidy.

look at the people in your own life whose leadership and integrity you respect. are those people respected by their own families or are they deceitful with the most precious people in their lives?

i, for one, lose a lot of respect for a person who steps out on their spouse no matter how nice a person or what kind of position of leadership they may be in. it isn't simply a moral issue of whose bed they prefer. having an affair involves a multitude of sins - lying, cheating, making excuses, and cowardice to name a few.

i am not saying i expect superhuman perfection in people in leadership positions. i just find it difficult to believe and respect someone who is willing to betray the one person on earth that they have taken a specific vow to nurture and respect. if their loyalty does not extend to those closet to them, on what basis do i trust them not to deceive me, too?

as for hilary, i agree with starting over in the previous post - one more of the consequenses of bill's deceit.

no problem Chatty.... water under the bridge.

I believe someone said Bill Clinton had not been convicted of any crime and I thought he had so I researched and though he was aquitted by the U.S. congress, he was found guilty of contempt of court and perjury by the Arkansas Supreme court.

As a result of that guilty verdict, the Arkansas bar association disbarred him from practicing law in his home state for a period of time after he left the Whitehouse.

smile

I believe a person's past indescressions are relevent also. Proverbs 27:19 says As water reflects a face, so a man's heart reflects the man. To me, that verse means that a person's actions and words convey their true character. The personal life has everything to do with the public life and if he/she doesn't want it that way, they can avoid the scrutiny by staying out of politics.

[ November 23, 2005, 10:23 AM: Message edited by: Daisygirl ]

So, if the character of the kingdom eminates from the character of the king, then I understand just why America is thought so badly of around the world. Look at what Bush had brought to our doorstep.

But lets step back here, first of all we do not have a kingdom and most assuredly a king. Our presidents are simply jut men. With all their foibles and problems. I don't think the youth of America decided just because Clinton's moral character was bad that they too can put morals aside. Moral values should be taught at home. I wouldn't trust anyone except my hubby and myself to teach my children moral values.

I also do not think that other countries around the globe give a feather what Clinton did sexually. He ran our country very well and achieved the best economic climate ever and we hadd respect around the world.(Something we do not have now)

As for Hillary, who are we to judge what she does with her marriage. I thought God was the only judge for us. I am surprised at how many on this board are so violent against this woman. You know, you don't know what you would do till it hits your doorstep. So, who are we to judge her for how she handled her marriage, be it public or private.

Come on, ladies. We are women here and discussion is good, but tearing up a person for how she felt she needed to handle a couple situation is unbelievable that this is going on with this thread.

It really does not matter who we are talking about, I thought most women would feel empathy for this lady who was in the public eye for her husbands transgressions. Whether she would make a great president is not what is being discussed. You all are putting all the other stuff in that has no bearing on if she'd be a good president or not.

Have any of you studied her record since she became a Senator (whether or not you like her)? Does not sound like it. Try looking at her record without bringing her husband into it. You might be surprised and find a very capable woman.

Again, just my two cents worth.
Sandpiper