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#149340 - 05/25/08 06:54 AM
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Registered: 06/05/06
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Last night Hubby and I were invited to a huge 50th birthday party. ( Anaiya’s Dad babysat.) We were sat at a table of 10 people. When Hubby and I sat down we said hello and introduced ourselves…and the response was a slight nod of heads followed be an entire group stare at things in the distance. I thought, Americans would say hi, smile, introduce themselves and ask where you are from and what do you do. Maybe they didn’t really hear me, so I tried several times to get some conversation going, but it was like work. Okay, then we all lined up at the buffet, and like good little tin soldiers, we sat back in our places, plates filled sky high. I commented on the food how delicious it is, and how lovely everything is decorated. The nods came back with full mouths….but nothing else in return. I touched my cheek….geez do I have some horrible tattoo on my face or what? Suddenly a huge heavy wave of sadness overcame me. I felt right down homesick. Homesick for Americans. I consider myself outgoing, a good conversationalist, and people friendly. So if I have a hard time making new friends, or just even connecting with people, then you can just imagine that it is sheer impossible in this neck of the woods. I live in a part of Germany that is known for close mouthed small world folk ( maybe something like Maine hicks…( not you Jane!), only 10 fold worse. In northern Germany or even in Muenich people are more open. But we are stuck here… Maybe it’s pretty country, …but what good is it without friends. I yearn for happy faces; People who show a genuine interest in getting to know each other. Yes, people like my friends here. I thought of all you ladies several times while attacking my food, almost choking on it because of the lump forming in my throat. Honestly if you don’t have any complexes, you can develop them here. I told Hubby what I was thinking , and his response was that I remember everything through pink glasses. He is sure there are stiff uncomfortable parties in America as well. Is he right? Have you ever been to one, where you just wish….eeeeeee … get me out of this place!
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#149341 - 05/25/08 07:17 AM
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[Re: Edelweiss]
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Registered: 12/30/05
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Edelweiss..I have not discussed the Austrian event with you.The cellar.Too rotten to go into again.But the media here went deeply into the pysche of the nation. Then by chance a handout from a modern studies class was given to me..and some facts surprised me.How the Germans encouraged childbirth and even said married men should be "allowed" to father babies after their own large family was complete.Really a Patricical society and women were the house women.There was more and this handout may be on the web..so I will search. Thus the fact that it was not so long ago and our generation will have been reared in that climate.So you being the vital passionate woman who grabs issues by the horns would be evident(before you even said a word) We cannot here imagine a street where questions were not asked at a high level...when children were left by a "runnaway" daughter.in fact the tendency to gossip is a small town Scottish trait.Backed up by the authorities delving.Likewise Jersey...that scandal it appears that people knew some thing was going on.I believe many residents are deeply guilty in hindsight. Have your own parties..start an exile group...in Northern Scotland where the oil workers live Aberdeen a thriving club meets.During the 9/11 time they met and supported themselves in a group. Times happen that homesickness hits..same as the grief for a lost one. Yes the forum must be helpful for you. Mountain ash
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#149343 - 05/25/08 07:34 PM
Re: Cramped Style Pary
[Re: Edelweiss]
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Registered: 01/21/07
Posts: 3675
Loc: British Columbia, Canada
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Suddenly a huge heavy wave of sadness overcame me. I felt right down homesick. Homesick for Americans. I consider myself outgoing, a good conversationalist, and people friendly. So if I have a hard time making new friends, or just even connecting with people, then you can just imagine that it is sheer impossible in this neck of the woods. I live in a part of Germany that is known for close mouthed small world folk ( maybe something like Maine hicks…( not you Jane!), only 10 fold worse. In northern Germany or even in Muenich people are more open. But we are stuck here… Maybe it’s pretty country, …but what good is it without friends.
I yearn for happy faces; People who show a genuine interest in getting to know each other. Yes, people like my friends here. I thought of all you ladies several times while attacking my food, almost choking on it because of the lump forming in my throat. Honestly if you don’t have any complexes, you can develop them here.
I told Hubby what I was thinking , and his response was that I remember everything through pink glasses.
I hope it's not like that most of time up where you are in your all of your immediate close, social circles.. I think if I showed your story to my partner, he would shake his head....and agree with you on the "stoic"/small worldliness of some certain Old World countries.
I would like to add this might probably happen in a rural part of China also.
Hannelore, I think if those same Germans immigrated outside of Europe, some of them would change. Immigration to a completely different society, brings a person to their knees and lays to the person deep questions about the identity that they thought had before, but must change.
I have said over and over to my partner, if he took up the offer when he was 16 to return to Germany and run a family bakery, he would have become a different man....probably more limited in his worldview and less humbling. His mother's side of the family is a upper middle-class family living in gorgeous areas in the Rhine area. So you can even imagine what their world is like.
But life was different, and he chose to stay in Canada, to carve the rest of his future on his own without inheriting a family business.
On a visit he made with his mother over 12 years ago to visit Germany and relatives, he felt that it was better I DIDN'T visit when some relatives were around. He felt some relatives had particular small-world attitudes --which included complaining about the Turkish migrant workers and residents..
You also know that I work for a German firm. I see how this firm is being managed..(and I have worked for other international firms) which strikes me as authoritarian side, less interested in work/life balance amongst employees, penny-pinching on the dollar.
The German employees, particularily the well-educated, older employees (boomer age and older), are approachable and broadminded since some of worked in Asia and Africa for past 15 years. The younger generation seem hip, but highly focused in their career (not surprising for anyone in that age group) but also in their social circles. For instance the many of the younger German generation seem to drink/socialize together. It is more rare to find a Canadian or 2 or another expat from Philippines in this social mix.
I don't get hung about this since alot of them are men and...I'm just a friendly hermit at lunch hr.
Which area of Germany do you live in?
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#149345 - 05/27/08 04:58 AM
Re: Cramped Style Pary
[Re: Edelweiss]
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The Divine Ms M
Registered: 07/07/03
Posts: 4894
Loc: Orange County, California
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Edelweiss, this sounds like a truly awful party! I'm not sure what I would've done in that circumstance. There are regional differences in the US as well. Some areas in the Midwest are very unwelcoming to outsiders or anyone just the slight bit different.
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#149347 - 05/28/08 03:00 AM
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Registered: 11/11/04
Posts: 3503
Loc: Colorado
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EW, maybe it was that particular group? They sound downright rude, not to welcome you. After all, they are the host country. You are not an "outsider" but someone gracious enough to try to live and work in their country. They should be embracing the American with curiosity and energetic conversations in broken English. I visited my friend in Germany a couple of years ago. One brief anecdote: She and I flew to Rome for a 3 day girls only. At one dinner in Rome, there was a group of about 12 Germans at another table. They were loud, they all talked at once, and they were passing plates around so everyone at the table can sample, etc. My German friend said, "Germans can be so rowdy" Funny, the differences in behavior in different regions.
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