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#167621 - 12/14/08 04:16 AM
Hair issues?
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Registered: 12/14/08
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Hi All I'm new here! Is anyone else experiencing hair issues? I've always had wavy hair with a tendency to be straight when cut short. It seems with menopause my hair is pretty much straight but always want to frizz. I don't want to look like so many older women with gray hair with the usual perm and very short hairstyle. What have you found that works with your hair? I'm getting tired of so many bad hair days! My hair stylist has said my hair is not dry. I've purchased many styling products with the hope that "this is THE product" I need. I never had this problem before (sigh) so I'm hoping someone can offer some insight for this issue.
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#167673 - 12/14/08 10:21 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: chatty lady]
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Registered: 01/21/07
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Right now, my hair has been cut so short that I can't even use a curling iron on any part of it all.
Well, at least some of my sculptural silver earrings will stand out more with such a short cut.
As for the so-called stereotypical short cut for an older woman: I don't have grey hair yet (I will turn 50 next yr.). I need to keep my hair short and easy to manage when taking my bike helmet off and on.
And I haven't had a perm since I was 23. And don't intend to. My hair is straight. A very short cut actually makes me look more alert and petite. I am 5'1".
I am in perimenopause but notice no affect on my hair. Most likely when I do turn generously gray, my hair texture will become drier and thicker..like my mother's. I probably still keep my hairstyle short and pixie-like.
Edited by orchid (12/14/08 10:23 PM)
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#167674 - 12/14/08 11:04 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: orchid]
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2411
Loc: Arizona
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Calico Kate, Hair becomes drying during Menopause. We must use more and better products to keep our hair soft and in good condition.
Have your hair cut every six weeks, at least a trim.
Be careful of over the counter hair dyes, they have metal in them so if you use them, only use them on your roots and cover all of your hair about every 6 months. It's better to use salon colour though.
One of the best products for wiry hair is Chi hair oil. It can be found on the web for less than it sells for in salons. Chi is the best oil for taming your hair.
Be careful of heating dryers, irons, straightening irons. Use Chi oil or a protectant on your hair before you use them.
If possible, wash your hair only when it is dirty, not every day. Our hair does not need to be washed as often as most Americans wash their hair.
Try to find a style with the least upkeep.
ONLY use products for colored hair or damaged hair. If your hair is coloured, use products for coloured hair and if it is not but just dry, use a product for dry and damaged hair.
I'd be happy to give you some names of products if you need them, even some URLs.
I hope this helps,
Dancer9
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#167711 - 12/15/08 02:04 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: dancer9]
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Registered: 12/14/08
Posts: 16
Loc: Colorado
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Hi Dancer, thank you for the tip on the Chi oil. I will check into that.
I don't use hair dye for the reason you stated--I don't want to be putting chemicals on my hair. I think we are subject to too many chemicals every day anyway.
Can you give us some URLS for hair products that you like?
Thanks much!
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#167747 - 12/15/08 08:15 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: jabber]
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Registered: 04/16/07
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Loc: Arizona
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Jabber, You didn't waste your money, any Chi product for the hair will get rid of frizz. Chi, (pronounced Chee,) silk infusion is one of the best products out there and is recommended by hair stylists who are good.
Just Joan, if you go to my web site you will see that I had many years of modeling and I was a hair model for 15 years as well, internationally. It's important what you put on your hair and what you don't.
I'll supply some URL's for hair products that smooth the frizz, on wet or dry hair.
To use Chi, or any hair product I will give you, use it on wet hair before you style it and if you need more, a drop or two after you style it to take care of the areas you feel are still too dry.
It's important to use a shampoo that helps with frizz too so I will supply some product URL's that will help with that too.
I have medium length hair and I use about half a dime size amount on my hair before I style it. If I want it smoother, I use a little drop and smooth it on the area I don't like the look of. If you keep that in your hair for a couple days, it will help even more.
Now for that list...
Best, Dancer
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#167750 - 12/15/08 08:40 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: dancer9]
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2411
Loc: Arizona
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For Frizz in hair or dry hair: Shampoo and conditioner: http://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Sulfate-Hydr...2179&sr=8-8The special bit about Enjoy shampoo and conditioner is that they are sulfate free. If your hair is colored, sulfate free shampoo is the way to go. The shampoo will feel like it is drying your hair until you use the conditioner but in fact, it is not full of chemicals that can tear out your color but make your hair soft before you condition. The conditioner is good, the price is right and if you look you can find deals for bigger bottles and better prices. Enjoy hair mask; http://www.amazon.com/EN-Joy-Enjoy-Hair-...2403&sr=8-2The Enjoy hair mask is great for hair that is not colored, I believe that is you, Just Joan, or was it someone else? It ALSO is great for color treated hair after you use the shampoo. It should be used about twice a week but I know people who use it more than that because they have thick hair that is very frizzy. This product, for the price, should be in everyone's shower! Pureology shampoo and conditioner: http://www.amazon.com/PUREOLOGY-PURE-SHA...662&sr=1-28http://www.amazon.com/Pureology-Pure-Con...662&sr=1-25If you can spend the money, these are the ultimate experience in shampoo and conditioner. It leaves hair VERY moist, it is good for colour or no colour, and it changes you hair for the better. It is very luxurous and excellent for your hair. It is hard to find in hair salons but hair dressers are usually aware of it. If you buy the larger bottles, it will last you almost a year. The product is only sold in two sizes, and again, it's an investment but it's worth it ten times over. It does have sulfates, but not enough to give you any real trouble with colour. I will never be without these products. I use enjoy most of the time but I use pureology for a treat often as well. I use the Enjoy mask about once a week but I use Chi every time I wash. I'll get the Chi info now... Chi silk infusion: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_hpc_1_6?url=search-alias%3Dhpc&field-keywords=chi+silk+infusion+6+oz&sprefix=Chi+Si I have NEVER seen Chi this inexpensive. The bottle usually sells for almost 50.00 in retail stores! I was shocked to find it at 24.00 but never expected such a mark down. ANYONE who wants their hair to recover or stay well should get this NOW. This is the oil I was recommending. I will give you the CHI site so you can see what this professional product line can cost! Also, a lot of professionals use their irons and blow dryers and swear by them... Chi web site: http://www.folica.com/brands/chi_2.htmlAny chi product comes well recommended. Again, the straightening irons, although expensive, are professional quality and so are the blow dryers. I know women who own them and swear by them. The blow dryers are supposed to be amazing and I've heard hair dressers say they make them look good when using them on clients. If you use a blow dryer, apply an oil like Chi first to protect your hair. That is all you need. You need not buy the products to protect because the right conditioner and the right oil will do all you need. There are the Aveda products and some salons and hairdressers swear by them. They are natural products and have been around for some time. The prices are good and the products seem to work best in areas where there is humidity. The leave in conditioner is amazing but can leave your hair flat if you don't have amazingly dry hair. Here is the site: http://www.aveda.com/templates/products2/mpp.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CATEGORY22118&PSID=true&cm_mmc=Google-_-Exact-Brand-HairCare-Aveda-_-General--Haircare-OK-_-aveda+hair+products%7C-%7C100000000000000722719&cm_guid=1-_-100000000000000722719-_-3271396579 Again, the focus of Aveda is to use natural ingredients as often as possible. It has it's own success story and started in MN. So, these are a few of my favorite things, or things I know about that might be hiding from you. Often the answer is just the right product. Please ask any questions if you have them! Dancer9
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#167835 - 12/16/08 04:05 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: dancer9]
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Registered: 08/12/08
Posts: 676
Loc: Wauconda, IL
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I've had short to medium-short hair for many years, it is naturally straight, thick and fine...and I have colored it forever and a day, mostly on my own. I used to get it permed 'cuz it drove me crazy messing without. However, I've found styles (and hairdressers!) who are working with those characteristics now, so the perms are a thing of the past.
About 2.5 years ago I was going through some "stuff" (gee, what a surprise MR going through drama? Now however could that happen? Grin) and my hairdresser asked if I would like for her to color it...and I LOVED it. In working with this person, I got turned on to Aveda products and have loved them ever since. When I decided they were too expensive, I bought several other products trying to duplicate the results...and ended up going back to the Aveda ... in the long run it was actually less expensive.
I was amazed to have my color last 10-12 weeks using the Aveda color...I had never had ANY color last that long and still look decent. Now, I 'preferred' to color it more frequently and that wasn't in the budget.
Every Aveda product I've tried has been superior and has lasted ages because it has taken so little product to get the desired results.
For the moment, I'm back to coloring my hair on my own (and remembering why I LOVE to have it done...not sure my landlord will like the red stain on the bathroom cabinet where I dripped!)AND I'm using the Aveda products.
Dancer...any knowledge of these?
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#167854 - 12/16/08 08:53 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: dancer9]
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My goodness dancer you are a fountain of expert information. As with my skin, I suffer NO hair dryness, but I believe it is due to the EV olive oil I use for everything in cooking, salads etc.
I have a brownish blonde hair so all I do is have it tipped or lightly frosted every six months or so, that way NO chemicals touch my scalp ever.
Even though I love seeing long hair I keep mine very short, also straight and so easy to manage, and with my schedule thats a definite plus. And lets face it, when we're cute, we're cute, no matter how long or short our hair is, right?
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#167863 - 12/16/08 10:03 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: chatty lady]
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2411
Loc: Arizona
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Yes, Mama Red, I mentioned Aveda products in my post. It depends what kind of hair you have and where you live when it comes to some of their products. Their leave in conditioner, for example, can make hair greasy and flat or if you have VERY curly hair, it can be a life saver! Their colour is good, yes, but you must get it at a salon and their shampoos formulated to infuse colour between shampoos are helpful, esp. for red hair.
Aveda started as a one man company and he set his salon up with his products in Minnesota. He branched out with more salons and when he got big enough his products became for sale in other salons.
If a salon uses Aveda products, like colour, they are likely to be highly trained and trained in the Aveda way. They do cut hair where it lands best and try to work with the natural hair that you have. It's a natural company.
Again, Mama Red, store bought colour has metals in it that build up. You may like the Aveda colour better because it is way better for your hair.
All their products are good, they are, again, invented by a hairdresser who was very talented.
Dancer
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#167871 - 12/17/08 01:53 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: dancer9]
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Registered: 12/14/08
Posts: 16
Loc: Colorado
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Dancer, thank you so much for these links. Lots to explore, decisions to make.
We do have an Aveda salon here--I've had my hair colored there a couple of times. So I will probably begin there with their Smooth Infusion products. They sound like they would work with my hair type.
As Chatty Lady said--you are a fountain of expert information. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say we all appreciate all of the tips and info and your knowledge of the care of hair.
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#167872 - 12/17/08 01:57 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: chatty lady]
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Registered: 12/14/08
Posts: 16
Loc: Colorado
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Chatty Lady, I also keep my hair short. But I'm hoping with the products that Dancer has recommended that I'll be able to control the frizz and maybe let my hair grow out a little. My problem is that once it gets to a certain length I get tired of trying to get all of the layers to grow out and I cut it off again.
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#167892 - 12/17/08 10:54 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: CalicoKate]
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Registered: 08/12/08
Posts: 676
Loc: Wauconda, IL
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Hi Dancer!
Thanks for the information...wow, you sure do know a bunch about this stuff! Thanks for being so willing to share with us...I apologize that I missed the Aveda reference...OOPS!
One of my incentives to keep learning about the business of speaking is so I can go back to my Aveda salon for color...getting my hair done is one of my favorite ways to pamper me...along with a relaxing pedicure.
I do continue to get it cut at an Aveda salon and color is next! Figured I should be fiscally responsible since my hubbie has been so supportive of me taking training, etc.! AND I really DON'T want to be a "good girl"...giggle!
Thanks again for sharing so much of you!
Edited by Mama Red (12/17/08 12:39 PM)
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#167968 - 12/17/08 09:50 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: Mama Red]
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Registered: 04/16/07
Posts: 2411
Loc: Arizona
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I'm flattered that you like my posts. I'm happy to help. Of course, pampering yourself at a salon I think is VERY important and should be the last thing to go! The French go to salons sometimes daily to get their hair done! If only we all could afford to do that!
Mama red, the aveda colour is great for your hair, that in the salon is some of the best reds that are made! Their shampoo to support their color, esp. red, is nice too! I'm glad you take good care of yourself, you should, we are all worth it!
Peg, you are very welcome. If you use the oil, and if you get you hair cut about every six to eight weeks, they can work those layers in so they can grow out with minimum hassles. They CAN be a pain, I know. Patience,and product, as I like to say. I just got done growing my hair out myself and the bangs were the hardest part. I had my hairdresser blend them often so I could live with them.
What is your hairstyle, Peg, and how would you like it?
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#168024 - 12/18/08 02:57 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: dancer9]
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Registered: 12/14/08
Posts: 16
Loc: Colorado
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Today we had our annual department Pot Luck. I looked liked the oldest one there (I'm sure just in mind) even tho I'm much younger than at least 2 of the women there. I think it's because I've decided to let my hair go "naturally gray". I was so depressed. It just seems that the gray wants to stick up and not conform to any sort of styling. I had a perm about a year ago that totally fried my hair and my stylist had me promise that I'd never get a perm again. And I have to agree with her. Years ago, before the gray, my hair took perms easily and I loved the easy care I had then. At this point I don't know what to do. I am going to my Aveda Salon and get the Smooth Infusion products to see if that helps my hair issues. Dancer I just totally appreciate your helpful hints and product recommendations. I'm not sure if you are in my age group-just turned 55 on Monday--I really appreciate the insight you have regarding all things HAIR!
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#170073 - 01/05/09 03:21 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: jabber]
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Registered: 11/15/05
Posts: 2798
Loc: NM, transplant from NJ
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I just read online, where it's good to use coconut oil to remove those tiny, lines around the mouth. Yay! Our soaps have coconut oil in them! Also, just a quick reminder: If an ingredient for a product has water and/or alcohol in it (most commercial products do!), it will dry your skin...no matter what the claims. That is why you have to apply so often. Think of a "prescription drug". The BETTER dose, and not an OTC, works better and is more effective because it's not "watered down", so to speak. Just a friendly tip!
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#170209 - 01/06/09 08:06 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: jabber]
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Registered: 08/12/08
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Loc: Wauconda, IL
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I've also read about taking it internally...bought some (an expensive brand...soooooooooo typical of me) and ended up not using it after both Matt and I gagged ourselves into oblivion trying to take a teaspoon of it (don't remember the condition I was treating). Darn, wish I still had it so I could test out the speed of this "wrinkle eliminating miracle"...there are so many times I can explain "no honey, those are laugh lines, no wrinkles!"
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#170270 - 01/07/09 03:00 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: Mama Red]
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Mama Red, Not sure I'd ingest it. But I am gonna give this jar full a test run. Hope it works.
JJ, I love Elvis, too. Cary Grant was a doll. But I have dark complexion, myself. I think, don't know, but think my birth daddy was far from light skinned and fair haired. I think Tom Selleck is a hunk, a hunk, ahunk.
PS If this coconut oil actually erases those darn, little lines, I'll let ya know!
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#170421 - 01/08/09 01:37 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: chatty lady]
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Registered: 08/12/08
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Loc: Wauconda, IL
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Oh lordy Chatty, mary sounds like a really kewl person...I could see a vat with her swimming around in it, eliminating those wrinkles! If this approach works, let me know and I'll move my sleeping quarters to a vat of coconut oil!
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#171757 - 01/18/09 03:23 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: Dotsie]
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I cook with olive oil and you're telling me to rub it on my wrinkles? Okay.
I have to pass on the coconut oil. For some crazy reason, the smell has always made me nauseaus.
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#171758 - 01/18/09 03:24 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: Saundra]
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Loc: Daytona Beach, Florida
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I'm guessing it's the virgin olive oil...
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#171759 - 01/18/09 03:27 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: Saundra]
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While we're at it, what about the Cold Cream everyone used in the 50s and 60s? It's still on the market.
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#177850 - 03/23/09 04:40 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: jabber]
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This is totally an observation but tonight I was watching one of those shows about tribes and you know how they show women without clothing? Well I noticed that even the large women around our age (possibly) were totally cellulite free. I didn't see any cellulite on the men either. You know it's a buildup of toxins and fat and lack of exercise too I suppose. Anyway none of the tribal members had any...
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#177904 - 03/23/09 06:01 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: jawjaw]
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Gosh, reading that just exhausted me, JJ and one still have to chop wood, tan the hide, weave blankets and baskets, then be wife to the chief...and we all know how tiring that can be. LOL!
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#177912 - 03/23/09 07:40 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: chickadee]
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Registered: 01/21/07
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This is totally an observation but tonight I was watching one of those shows about tribes and you know how they show women without clothing? Well I noticed that even the large women around our age (possibly) were totally cellulite free. I didn't see any cellulite on the men either. You know it's a buildup of toxins and fat and lack of exercise too I suppose. Anyway none of the tribal members had any... LOL. Good point, chick.
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#177961 - 03/24/09 12:48 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: chatty lady]
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Loc: Alabama
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I guess the old cliche "You are what you eat" really applies to them then as in...Human. Sorry just couldn't resist.
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#178013 - 03/24/09 06:16 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: jawjaw]
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Loc: American living in Germany
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Why do cannibals prefer eating readers to writers? Because writers cramp but readers digest.
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#178014 - 03/24/09 06:22 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: Edelweiss3]
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And, do cannibals get fed up with people?
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#178021 - 03/24/09 06:57 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: Lola]
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Registered: 11/19/08
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Loc: American living in Germany
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Oh yes, except they hate mother in laws; they never agree with them.
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#178074 - 03/24/09 11:51 PM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: chatty lady]
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I never met a man I didn't like..
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#178098 - 03/25/09 06:43 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: jawjaw]
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I suppose cannibals have an easier time with picnics. They don't have to pack food. Run into a stranger and...Voila! Cold meat is served.
Did you hear about the cannibal who was expelled from school for buttering up his teacher?
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#178102 - 03/25/09 08:07 AM
Re: Hair issues?
[Re: Lola]
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Loc: American living in Germany
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Really? He must get the cold shoulder now.
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#178250 - 03/26/09 03:49 AM
Re: Hot Flashes away!
[Re: chatty lady]
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I love black beans. I use them in fahitas all the time. Made a black bean soup one time but didn't really like it. OK I am going to try and see if this works.
I look forward to non-flashing again.
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#178265 - 03/26/09 06:50 AM
Re: Hot Flashes away!
[Re: chickadee]
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So do I. Anything...give me anything...
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