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#100096 - 12/22/06 06:13 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Hi, Whittlewoman: I had total hysterectomy earlier this year (TAH/BSO) for suspected OC which was ruled out after the procedure. All turned out well in the end. It is a natural thing to be anxious about the surgery as it is a major procedure afterall. I don't think you would find any ladies-in-waiting who had not been terrified before undergoing surgery. The most important thing is to speak to the medical team prior to the day of your operation if you want to know details i.e. duration of procedure, type anesthesia and your options i.e. epidural, length of stay at the hospital, HRT etc.
My procedure took just 25 minutes, horizontal incision, sitting up in less than 36 hours, walking and showered in 48 on my own. The activity will be encouraged. The sooner you are on your feet, the better. No lifting for a long time. For the first week, you are allowed to lift nothing heavier than two cups of coffee. Try to arrange a nest in the house where you can relax and have everything within reach. No bending as well. Purchase a lot of peppermint tea or cordial to drink after surgery as soon as you are able to take anything by mouth. If you are having abdominal incison, take a pillow with you to prop in-between your tummy and the seatbelt on your ride home.
Recovery rate varies from woman to woman so I can only speak from my own experience. But, there is a light at the end of the tunnel for all for all hyster sisters. Let me know if there is anything further and specific that concerns you pre and post operation. Hyster sisters always "pay forward" and I am only willing to be able to do that.
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#100098 - 12/23/06 12:25 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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I had a total abdominal hyst almost 6 years ago. I had never been in the hospital for anything and to say I was scared would be an understatement. So, whittlewoman, I can understand completely where you're coming from. I had my surgery on a Fri morning and was home by Sunday afternoon. I followed my doc's orders during recovery and didn't have any problems. It took a while to get my hormone issues straightened out after the surgery (I hadn't started menopause at the time of surgery) but eventually that worked out too. I found a lot of support at a website www.hystersisters.com, the gals there were terffic and really helped me out a lot.....to the point where I ended up being a hostess on the site for almost 5 years. It was discovered during my surgery that I was loaded with endometriosis, adenomyosis, and had a cyst on my left ovary. My periods were extremely heavy and painful. Life got much better after my hysterectomy! Hang in there, the anticipation is worse than anything. I will wish for all the best for you. Keep us informed as to how you're doing.........before, during, and after surgery!
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#100099 - 12/23/06 03:20 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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CrosstitchQueen Maybe I corresponded with you on the www.hystersisters.com site! I'm forever grateful that I found that site.
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#100100 - 12/23/06 06:54 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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popea had that opperasion when she was 30 apart from the recovery the hormone replacment so important, what she has had to go throw when it they went haywire no one should have to endure so i second lola in getting insight into that before the operasion. i give popea a shout in a minet to read your post....
i got scanned a couple weeks ago from gynie and descovered cysts on left overie and right i think excuse spelling but it called pollycystick overies, which explanes similare experiences that already mentioned, heavy excessive bleeding for 14 days and mega pain. Little chance of conciving and carrieing child to full term (what a miricale L was) it explanes repeativly lossing the children i had carried. The treatment is firstly a Marina, secondly hormone replacment (which coused hanna's symptoms!!!) or final choice is taken the works out.... like yourself i never been near hopitals apart to give birth and have tonsils out when i was 3, hate the places and having to stay in bed....
I also want another child, i got limited chance's due to age and health but if the marine dose it's job reducing the periods severity and pain and the polycystick stuff clears up then i got a higher chance of carrieing to full term, i got my fingers crossed.
I also got to have a general anesthetic as their looking for endemetriousise and some other stuff while i am unconcise....this aint as bad or sever as what you going throw but i cant waite to get it over with mid January as i just found out but i scared of the process and what else they might find....
goodluck and let us know what happens whittle.
i am glade you posted this couse i been keeping that bit of info to myself, fear, worrie and being blue about it....and the bigger picture re more kids and past misscared ones
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omg i dont have anymore secrites you ladies have gotten them all lol
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#100101 - 12/23/06 07:30 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Hi Whittlewoman
My experience after most of my menstrating life was horrific...I was lucky if I had a week of some comfort from pain, bleeding, insomnia and mood swings, etc. I found out about three tears before my FAH, that I was progesterone sensitive...so all of the hrt treatments to control my symptoms were sending me crazy. I was a shell of a woman before the op, but found solace inchatting with my GP...she was brilliant...other women who had gone through similar experiences helped me greatly aslo.
My consultant was fab and treated me so well, explaining every wee detail of my pre and post op treatment. When the surgery was taking place...they found and removed several ovarian cysts...one of which was cancerous. I did not have to have any oncology treatment after the op...so I am a very lucky lass indeed.
Whittle...I have never looked back in so many ways sinse then. Keep talking to anyone who will listen with a kind heart. Do not be afraid to become informed by the professionals...ask them everything no matter how silly.
Once you get the hormonal side fine tuned...you will be grand. Take all the time you need to rest after the op....get your freinds to do the looking after for a while.
You are in my Prayers(even though you will be fine)
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#100102 - 12/23/06 11:55 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Hannalore -- it's very possible that we corresponded on the Hystersisters site! I spent a lot of time there and was a hostess on a couple of the forums for about 4 years.....I quit hostessing there about a year ago. I went by a different user name than the one I use here, though. I agree about being forever grateful that I found that site when I needed it most -- I only had a week between an appt with my doc and the actual surgery.....the support I found at that website at that time in my life definitely helped to keep me sane!
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#100103 - 12/24/06 12:21 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Hi, Ann and Hannelore: I was also a hyster at Hystersisters! I crossed from there to BWS.
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#100104 - 12/26/06 07:30 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Whittle, my mom had that surgery 20+ years ago. The laporoscopy made it quick to recover and she was fine. Yes, she was afraid, too. She'd never been sick and only in a hospital to have me! Your fear is natural and healthy. I'd be worried if you weren't worried. Let us know how you're doing.
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#100106 - 12/27/06 04:36 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Hi Whittle,
Count me in as another hyster sister, I loved going there and by the time I had my operation I was ready.
I had a TAH/LSO, my incision was a vertical incision. My uterus was large and so therefore it turned out I had adenomyosis and endometriosis and throw in a few fybroids there too. Anyway, I went in there with a good attitude, and I even took a couple of smiley stickers with me. I put one on my abdomen and a close caption sticker above it that said, "Are we having fun yet?" I just wanted to bring some humour to this experience. My doctor later told me that was the reason my surgery went well. Anyway, 2 days later I went home and 4 days later I went to the mall to get out of the house. I got tired sooner than I usually would, but I recovered very well. So anyway, attitude and lots of prayer. Unfortunately, two years later I had my right ovary removed by laporascopy, I went home that very day. The waiting is the hardest part always. I don't regret having the hysterectomy done, at least I can plan a day at the beach. I couldn't do that before. The only negative experience I have had is enduring an emotional roller coaster for awhile. I did go into menopause as well. But I look at it this way, I am getting it over with. I do not take any HRT either, but that was my choice. I just didn't want to have to pop another pill in my mouth. You've recieved some very good advise.
Those who were former hystersister's what were your user names? Mine was Tilos and I had my operation in May '02. I really loved that board, and I wanted to find another forum with a different subject to go to, but I couldn't find anything like it. That is, until I came here.
Alright Whittle, I know you will be alright, and remember the waiting is indeed the hardest.
Cheers, Cathi
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#100110 - 01/01/07 12:09 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
[Re: whittlewoman]
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My user name on Hystersisters was Peachybabe. (I never was crazy about that user name, but at the time I registered on the site, my mind was in a turmoil about upcoming surgery, and I had to come up with a name......my dogs were lying nearby, their names were Peaches and Babe.....and there you have it!!) I still check out the site and post on it occaisonally under that name.
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#100112 - 01/01/07 06:58 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Whittlewoman, I had this surgery back in the early 80's. Best thing that ever happened to me. I want to tell you something very important. Two things, actually. Although you are having the surgery that shortens the recovery time, PLEASE FOLLOW THESE TWO RULES:
A) DO NOT SWEEP anything. Do not even stand next to a broom. Sweeping uses the muscles that haven't had time to recuperate from the surgery and will land you back in bed, flat on your back, on pain killers for weeks. And yes, I did NOT heed this advice. DO NOT SWEEP ANYTHING. If this surgery had happened to me NOW, there wouldn't be that danger. I rarely clean. LOL!
B)DO NOT DRIVE until your doc says you can. Even riding in a car will also hinder your recovery. Some people will tell you that they drove AND swept two weeks after surgery and experienced no probs whatsoever. Cool...good for them. Do you want to find out if you fall within that SMALL percentage of people? I hope not.
Get books, movies, or whatever. Enjoy the solace. Enjoy the downtime. Write, read, watch movies, call friends, meditate...this is your bodies time to heal itself and it WILL...if given proper respect.
I wish you well. I'm telling you, it was the best thing that ever happened to me....well, except that one time when that guy ----uh...nevermind.
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#100114 - 01/04/07 03:32 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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I'm thinking of you today. You'll feel soooo much better after this surgery. I can promise you that!
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#100117 - 01/05/07 09:18 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Whittle, Having been there, I would like to add my prayers for a speedy recovery. Mine was at thirty for cancer that involved the uterus and other areas so I had a huge abdominal incision and because I was sole support for two children, I had to go back to work a week later. Don't do that. Take your time. Get out of the hospital as soon as possible to avoid infections and be up as much as you can, but rest a lot and take all the pain medicine you need. Surround yourself with boomer prayers and know you will soon be well. smile
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#100118 - 01/05/07 07:16 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Hi, Whittle: I wish you a good recovery. Rest! Rest! And more of it. Remember: no lifting, pulling or pushing. Try to take a few steps at a time. Shuffle if you must but make sure you get the circulation in the legs again.
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#100121 - 01/06/07 06:30 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Whittle, It is good to rest all you can. Glad to hear that your surgery is over. I'll be praying for a speedy recovery for you. You are right in a sense that we have to get to know you but Boomers are sisters and we take care of our own no matter how long we've known each other. Let this be your healing ground. I think the cat's just want to get attention but I can imagine them trying to get to you and you swooshing them away. The hardest thing I found about an operation was if someone made me laugh. It hurt so good. Hang in there whittle and let us know if there is anything we can do to make your day brighter. chick
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#100122 - 01/06/07 06:45 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Glad to hear from you so soon after the surgery, Whittle. Rest well. Again: no lifting, pulling or pushing.
Oh, I forgot to mention...I crossed over to BWS during my post-op recovery.
Edited by Lola (01/06/07 06:58 PM)
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#100124 - 01/07/07 12:09 AM
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Loc: Belfast/Northern Ireland
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Good to hear the surgery is over and that you are ok but needing to heal. was thinking and praying for ya.
It is really touching that thes (above) woman are full of care and support even if you are relitivly new to the board. The really nice thing is that they don't want anything from anyone. Thats one of the things that make this place as special and as fun as it is, well i think so anyway.
celtic_flame
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#100130 - 01/10/07 02:36 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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May I join in the good wishes being sent to you. At age 47 I had my hysterectomy and bi lateral ooperectomy.It did take several months to get fully fit but if you rest and relax life will get better than it was. You may feel weepy...i hope not but if so.you have all of us here. Sleep well Mountain Ash
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#100135 - 01/15/07 04:49 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Hi Whittle,
One thing I will tell you that happened to me during my recovery. I would feel good and antsy(SP) and start to do things. Such as cooking, shopping, etc. Then the next day I would be so exhausted and I would lay down all day. It took a friend of mine to point this out to me. Everytime she called me, I would tell her that I over did it yesterday and I was exhausted today. I hadn't realized this pattern until she pointed it out. Anyway, I just took baby steps from that time until I was done with my recovery period. I had a wonderful recovery. No matter how a person had their operation rather through a vertical/horizontal incision, laporscopy/vaginal, or vaginal. The inside stitching is the same and that is what needs the most recovery.
I am glad you are doing well Whittle, and thanks for letting us know how you are doing!
Cheers and Hugs, Cathi
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#100136 - 01/15/07 08:59 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
[Re: Wisdom&Life]
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Hi, Whittle: I did not drive until six months post-op. My insurers would not cover me until after then. Just as well, as I could not anyway as I would tire very easily. At eight months post-op, I still feel some tugging when I overdo things but rest helps. I had an abdominal incision and although all seems to have fully healed, I was told that it takes a year to fully do so internally and was warned about adhesions. At this stage, I am still not pulling, pushing or lifting anything I cannot budge the first time around. Rest when you feel sapped of energy. It is the body's way of letting you know that it needs to be rested. Glad to know that you are coping well with post-op recovery.
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#100137 - 01/15/07 11:40 AM
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I agree with Lola re the driving.Not to be too doomladen but this is a major surgery and there are no medals in having adhesions.Also once you start doing things you will tackle more and more tasks.I stayed from work for four months due to the nature (lifting pupils from wheelchairs)This way if there is further difficulties you know you did the best you could post operation.Once we are older its possible to have a prolapse from the "vault" so why make difficulties.Act like a Queen for a while. Mountain ash
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#100138 - 01/16/07 03:04 AM
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I have a hysterectom about 15 years ago in my 40s. I was between husbands and my son spent most of his time at his dads. It took me a few months to stand for any time. I really don't remember how the shopping was done. The hardest part what getting up the same day as the surgery.
Check out Omaha Steaks and their partner site A La Zing. They deliver to the house, each item is packaged separately so you husband can take out just one steak or salmon at a time. A La Zing is precooked and frozen food. Also delivered to your home.
The key is visiting their websites for special prices. They have meals as little as $9.00 for 2 people. Haven't been disappointed by their food. Take it easy and let others do it for you.
When you are ready to pamper yourself, let me know.
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#100139 - 01/17/07 01:58 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Dear Whittle, I've been so busy I haven't been in the forum and I'm so glad you're doing well. Patient, heal thyself are not idle words. You're in charge, you can say NO! This is a good time to learn the NO word in case you're having trouble. Do everything JJ told you to and don't get her mad at you for not listening. She didn't get her queenship by being wrong!
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#100141 - 01/18/07 06:18 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
[Re: whittlewoman]
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Loc: Oakland County, Michigan
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I must tell you that after my uterus was removed 18 years ago, no more periods.
Still must laugh everytime at my yearly physical they ask:
When was your last period Are you pregnant
I respond to unless I join the few that make medical history, I better not be pregnant.
Haven't had a period in 14 years and it feels great.
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#100143 - 02/05/07 09:19 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Hi, Whittle.
Welcome to the Big Girl's Club. That's what all of my friends who have had hyst's call ourselves.
Please, be patient with your body. I talk to a lot of women, and I can tell you--it may take up to six months or longer until you really feel like yourself again. You are steadily healing within. That's easy to forget!
I am a few years out, now, but I wouldn't hesitate to do it again if I was faced with the same decision. Of course, I had tried everything else before having surgery.
Good luck to you in your continued healing...
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#100145 - 02/22/07 08:17 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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hope you manage ok whittlewomen with still a sort time to get physically ready for your work again. Its physically tiring and stressfull by what you have previously described so good luck getting ready celtic
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#100146 - 02/23/07 06:52 AM
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And when you do go back to work, please listen to what your body tells you. When it starts to moan and groan, find a spot to rest. At 9 months post-op, the feeling of fatigue is gone but, I still feel some tug and pull when I overdo it. And I have a sedentary job! Glad to know recovery is progressive, Whittle.
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#100150 - 02/24/07 06:17 PM
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I have just come from the gynae ward...My husterectomy was 13 years ago.I believe it is a year until the body settles.Watch for thyroid problems.And rest. My visit is a complicated story..not ready to share and not out of the woods yet.I am sceduled for surgery soon. i have found a wonderful consultant and see light at the end of the tunnel. I feel you are being asked to return too soon. I wish you well and do take massive care when you go back by eating well and sleep. Mountain ash
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#100151 - 02/24/07 08:08 PM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Whittle, maybe you could write a brochure for the medical comunity about this. JJ did one on Lewie Dementia and I am sure she could give her 2 cents on writing one, right JJ? Mountain, let us know when surgery is scheduled and we'll keep you in prayer. Both of you, look after yourselves.
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#100152 - 02/25/07 03:47 PM
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Thank you...i had laparocopy so I am sore..more surgery in about a month....after review. My spirit is well. Mountain ash
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#100153 - 02/25/07 11:22 PM
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I not sure i am fullie understanding this...
yes i know that insurances payes opps/treatment for ailments etc....but do they also pay your sick leave, which if stoped would make you return to work earlier than one should? ....
Is that what whittle is saying? Anyone? celtic
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#100154 - 02/25/07 11:23 PM
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good to hear your spirite is well mountain, with that the physicall has got a big helping hand to getting better, keep feeling fresh love
celtic
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#100156 - 02/26/07 09:12 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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Ureka...these are the differnces i am seeking to explore in another thread. Celtic and Popea will know being this side of the "Pond"how ourn health service works. Here you are signed off until able to work.Pay varies due to whatever contract you have from your workplace. Family duties mean you may attempt too much but in my case after my hysterectomy I stayed off four months because I was in an active(lifting others) role.Had I been an office worker i would have returned sooner.Yet we are all women and need the same care. The long term benefits of rest and return to normal help in the future care of gyna operations.Do walk and tone but lifing..no no.Even heavy shopping is out. Mountain ash
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#100157 - 02/26/07 11:06 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
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woooow thats scandalise and i din't honestly know that was the situasion with aftercare......thats just shocking...best of luck in doing what you can to change that situasion, it sertinly deserves the attension
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#100158 - 02/26/07 11:14 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
[Re: celtic_flame]
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Registered: 11/24/06
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Loc: Belfast/Northern Ireland
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yea mountain we sertinly got a good deal with the NHS, thats why i got weired about going private for the gynie stuff not the paying off the monie.....i love to see the NHS service improved and i would't want to go private too often becouse of the arguments that it just lets government off of its proper upkeep leading to it being run down more etc..etc.
limited sick leave and no alternitive but to work is just crazienes being run by an orginasiasion thats majour concern is with capital...still trying to take in the full implicasions of limited aftercare or long term illness even. thats a big bit of news to me celtic
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#100159 - 02/26/07 11:39 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
[Re: celtic_flame]
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Celtic I too went "private" recently.At one time we were entitled to BUPA but refused due to out political bias and the wish to keep the NHS.I rethought this and am pleased like you. Times are changing but the service I have just had was marvellous.. take care Mountain
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#100161 - 03/03/07 11:27 AM
Re: Radical Hysterectomy
[Re: whittlewoman]
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Registered: 11/24/06
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Loc: Belfast/Northern Ireland
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I happie to heer about your class and hope it's been effective for you and helped you reach your goals of stamina and strenth. Hope you will be well in your work i will be thinking about you.
celtic
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