i'm a little confused at all the talk about this thread getting offensive. i haven't seen any personal slams against members, only against polititians - most of whom have it coming. i am not personally offended if any of you have a different opinion from mine and voice it. i see the debate as healthy and invigorating. i think we (meaning people in general) are too quick to personalize opposing views and apologize for our own.

my dad loved a good debate. from him, i learned that you can argue till you turn blue as long as you don't hit below the belt and you walk away without a grudge. it is one of the things i miss most about him.

so, ladies, ring the bell and start another round!