Could be right there Dianne. But youd think she would feel differently wouldnt you. I can see that the kid is hurting what with her mother not wanting her. But as I say 9 years down the line of trying to help her be with her and love her only to have it thrown back my face each and everytime. There is only so much anyone can take. I know being an adult I should be able to take it on the chin. But with the verbal abuse I am getting from her as well as the mental. I just cannot do it anymore. I have got to stay sane for my children. I just feel shes got herself in this mess. she can out of it. I HAVE TREID.