Dee in my world, "YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE." These two adult 'children' need a wakeup call. I would hold steadfast to the NO Christmas etc. for them until they act differently to their father. BUT Larry has to stand strong with you on this and not weasel out cause he's afraid his kids won't like him... Do they act like they like him now? I think not. Remember once before when this came up, I suggested you and Larry take a cruise for the holidays or a trip somewhere just you two alone... Don't even tell these two you're going to be gone. Thats the way I get the attention of thoughtless people who don't seem to understand kind words.
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