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#33933 - 01/19/06 03:38 AM Re: 12 Step for anyone
XBWS Offline
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Registered: 11/14/05
Posts: 32
Loc: Guilford, CT
Yes. I can be on the up side of the bipolar. I like it there and often avoid telling my doctor about it cause I know she will try to "stabilize" me which means knocking me down a notch or two. I know when I'm too manic and I'll call her then, but alittle feels good. The only problem is stress can knock me down into a depressed state really quick. If I'm lucky I'll pull out of it with rest. I've had a few occasions in the pass few years where the depression was severe. Nothing seemed to help. This is a common pattern among bipolars bears as we refer to ourselves.

[ February 26, 2006, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: suzieq ]

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#33934 - 01/19/06 03:50 AM Re: 12 Step for anyone
yepthatsme2 Offline
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Registered: 08/08/05
Posts: 816
Loc: Fredericksburg, Va.
Think when you lack sleep, it throws you entire body out of whack. Know it does mine.
Glad to hear your sleeping well now.

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#33935 - 01/19/06 04:09 AM Re: 12 Step for anyone
norma Offline
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Registered: 10/29/05
Posts: 286
Loc: western canada
Suzie and Ladybug, may i join you for a moment ?
...i think you said okay.. i would just like to add that you have each mentioned things that are quite legitamate reasons to get depressed.. i think depression is often anger turned inwards, because if we even expressed our anger in words the consequences or situation would even be made worse? As women, mothers, wives, we're always expected to be calm, rational, understanding..... and yet,deep inside, we'd like to say outloud... damn it, what's going on here, this is an outrage, or no longer tolerable, or smarten up, or whatever .... but we dont want to make matters worse, or hurt someone's feelings.. and just continue to try and make the best of bad situations, but without encouragement, without play, and laughter.. the depression becomes deeper... ...

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#33936 - 01/19/06 05:11 AM Re: 12 Step for anyone
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 1402
I think you're right Norma, because that's how it was for me when I had a mild depression.

Many of you probably don't know that one of America's greatest presidents was diagnosed with depression. It was Abraham Lincoln. The death of a son made it worse. It is also believed that Mary Lincoln his wife, also suffered from depression.
Think of that, Abraham Lincoln suffered from depression!
suzieq, just keep on posting here. You've got a nice group of supporters.

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#33937 - 01/19/06 05:13 AM Re: 12 Step for anyone
NHJackie Offline
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 868
Loc: Merrimack, NH
On the mark, Norma! That's exactly what caused my severe depression and that of many others. I had just been diagnosed with cancer, my father died and I kept pretending I was coping with everything. I've since learned that it's not my job to either solve everyone problems or to cope perfectly with all situations. What a relief it was to learn to say, "I can't handle this right now." I now do the best I can and like myself a lot better.

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#33938 - 01/19/06 05:59 AM Re: 12 Step for anyone
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 1402
Brenda, Norma and Jackie, thank you for giving your support and helpful comments to our suzieq.

suzieq, tomorrow I'll be going down to Amish country to shop for some special food items. If you don't see any posts from me early on you'll know why. I will post as soon as I get back.

Until then ((((HUGS))))

[ January 18, 2006, 10:00 PM: Message edited by: ladybug ]

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#33939 - 01/19/06 07:49 AM Re: 12 Step for anyone
norma Offline
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Registered: 10/29/05
Posts: 286
Loc: western canada
Suzie, you said 'feeling non productive doesn't help the self esteem'..i have often felt the same way... but you'll notice the message of being
...'a failure' 'not good enough', is constantly sent throughout our societies... 'oh, just a wife and mother','oh, just a clerk'..and it goes up the ladder .. the nurse isn't a doctor, the doctor 'just a MD' not a specialist....the teacher not 'a principal'..the business has only one store..etc.... Most people are tremendously successful and in ten thousand ways, but the reverse is drummed into us.

Each act of kindness, is the true mark of success..(in my opinion) and more productive than will ever be appreciated in this world.

[ January 19, 2006, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: norma ]

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#33940 - 01/19/06 08:55 AM Re: 12 Step for anyone
norma Offline
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Registered: 10/29/05
Posts: 286
Loc: western canada
Gosh Ladybug, do you think they had it right about Abraham Lincoln? I'd think anyone in his position, would be using every means possible not to drown in absolute despair, considering the circumstances and sufferings he knew others were facing.

To me, it is the healthy mind, the deep and caring heart, which reaches beyond oneself, that becomes devasted in certain situations...

But how to heal from devastation, how to return to life, hope, some form of peace and a measure of enjoyment?

Jackie .. did you also find it hard to say no at first, and feel guilty about it? I sure did. But i dont think i often tried my best though ... unfortunately,i concluded early on that it didn't seem to matter if i gave my best, someone would always find fault with whatever... (not too smart a conclusion on my part) ....

[ January 19, 2006, 03:42 AM: Message edited by: norma ]

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#33941 - 01/19/06 05:36 PM Re: 12 Step for anyone
ladybug Offline
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Registered: 09/22/05
Posts: 1402
Back in "those days" what means did they really have?

Back then to admit you had depression would've been a disaster maybe.

I have read that people were just labeled unfairly as crazy if they had any sort of mental issues. Their families unjustly had them committed to those lonely, horrible asylums where they were drugged into a stupor. That was AFTER Abraham Lincoln's days so what would have been done for him? I think he had no options for care of his mental health.

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#33942 - 01/19/06 07:30 PM Re: 12 Step for anyone
Dotsie Offline
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Registered: 07/09/08
Posts: 23647
Loc: Maryland
suzieq, I want to mention again that I have seen great strides since your arrival to BWS. I beleive God is at work in you.

Might I recommend something? Many summers ago I began a gratitude journal.

When I first began, I could only think of a couple things to jot down. As time marched on, I came to realize that we can truly give thanks in all things and I couldn't stop listing my praises. It's a life changing exercise. It trains your mind to look for the good in everything.

I hope you'll give it a try.

I'm so glad you're here.

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