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#208819 - 11/07/10 07:06 PM My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait...
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I'm so happy for my daughter Jill! ... but now what? ... I'm 61 and dreaming of my golden years ... where I no longer have to work and can go golfing with the hubby every day ... enjoy long walks ... sell the house ... travel ...

But Wait! she's been home now for a few months ... and I just don't know what to do ... she has over $90,000 in debt ... no job ... a wonderful bf ... they want to start a family ... buy a home ... live the American Dream! ... as most of us have ... I'm really struggling with this ... I just don't know what to do ... I want to retire and sell the home (down size) and spend my golden years doing what ever makes me happy ... b/c I've - we - have earned it ... right! ...

I just don't understand how she is going to find a job in the crazy market ... her boy friend(which I love to death) is also struggling to find a job and as crazy as it seems ... he is now thinking of going back to school to get a MBA as well...

I just don't know what to do ... I want my children to have the American Dream just as I have ... but how ... and at what cost...?

I've been forced now not to retire but stay at work ... I'm 61 ... my children are all grown up ... and can't find jobs ... but here I sit and have a great job ... what is going on with the world ...

The majority of us Boomers have lived the Dream! but what about our children's Dreams? I feel so bad for my daughter when she comes home crying after another failed attempt at get a career and life going ... she's so sad and when she mentioned never being able to have a marriage and babies and house and life ... I just don't know ... my heart felt so bad! it was so easy for us and I just cannot take it any more ... what is going on out there!!!

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#208822 - 11/07/10 07:54 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: B61]
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Welcome, B61,

We are delighted that you have found our forum. You will find plenty of interesting women here, and many of them have shared similar stories and are living with similar situations.

It IS tough when your kids boomerang back home. But you don't have to be a doormat, if that is what you feel you are being forced to do. There is no rule that says you MUST keep the family homestead so your children have it to come home to. They can come home to a smaller place in a different location, if they are forced to take refuge with you.

Meanwhile, her tuition debt is hers, and while you can choose to help her pay it off, there is nothing that says you must. If she got the loans through traditional student loan methods, she has plenty of time to pay them off... And I think that if she has no job, the lenders are required to give her time to find one before she has to start paying.

Nor is there any rule that says you have to give up your plans for your retirement. You can still golf, still travel, still quit your job, still sell the house -- if you can find a buyer in today's marketplace.

What you need to do is decide whether or not you DO STILL want to retire now... Many of us boomers are deciding to postpone retirement, due in large part to OUR OWN financial situations, not those of our children.

Perhaps you can set time for a family conference, which would include you, your husband, your daughter -- and even her boyfriend. Use this event to discuss goals and make some plans.

Your daughter and her boyfriend can certainly still get married. Think of it this way: THEN if one of them can get a job with health insurance benefits, that marriage certificate COULD mean that both of them would then be covered. Meanwhile, as the laws currently stand, you can't cover them with your health insurance anyway...

Think back to the stories you have heard about your parents when they were the age of your daughter and potential son-in-law...

For example, during the Depression, many of our parents or grandparents got married AND lived with in-laws to save money. Babies were born then too. And people found ways to manage, live, love and even thrive. The same thing can happen again...

The best thing to do, B61, is calmly assess the situation, develop some JOINT plans for solutions to these various situations, and then take action. Merely standing by and wringing your hands will not solve anything.
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#208832 - 11/07/10 09:13 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: Anne Holmes]
B61 Offline


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I guess I just wonder if there will be an American Dream for them ... or ... in a cense, is the Dream just for us Boomers ... ?

I don't want my daughter to live in a depression nor would I ever discuss the depression with her at this point in her life...that is just not fair for her...spending so much time and money on an education that has supplied her with nothing ... Ah?! ... maybe its time we boomers start thinking about the youth instead of always thinking about "ME" "ME" "ME" ... she's my child and I will do what I must to support her ... kind of a funny thing ... I think in a way we are nuffing out our own children.

when will it be their time?

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#208880 - 11/10/10 01:05 AM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: B61]
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Just like it was with our parents, their parents, and us, our childrens time will come when it comes. It wasn't easy for any of the past generations either but somehow we all made it. Our children will too so long as they aren't sitting around expecting to be handed their dreams on a silver platter...

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#208955 - 11/14/10 02:51 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: chatty lady]
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B61,
IMO Anne is right. Step back and take a long, hard look at the options. What can your family do to resolve various negativity. Many college educated people are out of work. So they get creative, finding different avenues to reach goals. Some start a small business. Some invent stuff. Some work outside of their discipline. America is still the greatest country in the world! With that much knowledge to draw on, I'm sure your daughter can find a way to enjoy her American Dreams. Prayers and blessings,
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#208977 - 11/15/10 02:45 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: jabber]
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Diane Sawyer is reporting from China this week. She said there
are more people in China who speak English, than there are
actual people living in America. That's mind-blowing!
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#208979 - 11/15/10 03:58 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: jabber]
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B61

"I don't want my daughter to live in a depression nor would I ever discuss the depression with her at this point in her life"

I have pondered what you say..as both a parent and as a educator I vere toward the opposite standpoint.Firstly your daughter will pick up from the media and others that the economy is in dire straits..and no matter what discipline is she studied there will have been built in a look at history..even a fashion course will touch on the New Look post WW2..and the ethos.
Secondly ..once our offspring are adults its valuable to have a place they can approach where non judgemental love.. truth and support exists using grown up thinking .whether in job seeking or other life choices.developing a healthy respect on both sides..
protecting a little child is essential but within the safety of the parental home the young adult is robust enough to see the reality of 2010.Encouraging her strengths and what is viable will build her confidence so when a job interview does happen she will project herself well.
wishing your daughter well.

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#208980 - 11/15/10 06:17 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: Mountain Ash]
Anne Holmes Administrator Offline
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Hi Mountain Ash,

I agree with you. Of course, I think you knew I would.

My children are 32 and 29. Both chose to go into the newspaper business, which has meant that while they are doing a job they love, there have been many financial challenges as well as challenges within -- and because of -- their chosen workplaces.

These latter challenges are not things I can or should help them with. But hopefully through doing a good job raising them to be able to think independently and successfully deal with smaller challenges on their own, I have given them the tools to successfully handle life's larger challenges by themselves.

For example, I trained them both to be self reliant people who could think on their feet and figure out how to solve their own problems, while at the same time knowing that they have unconditional love and support from their parents, which they can call on as needed.

I truly believe that we hamper our children if we give them everything and don't allow them to learn to handle their own challenges. This keeps them from gaining confidence and becoming fully-functioning adults. (And isn't that what our job really is, as parents? Training our children to be capable of successfully handling what life throws at them?)

Here's an example of how this has worked for me:

Our son is a news photographer, and he spent five years in college, then lived with us for a summer after graduation, while he worked a temp job. As anyone knows who has had a child return home after living on his/her own, there are challenges.

But we were happy to help him and he was only there for 3 months.

Then he left us to head to Chicago for a freelance job, and from there was hired full time by the St. Pete Times. On the way down to Florida to start the new job, he decided to follow a hurricane, and got the major news service he was freelancing for to contract with him to shoot those pictures on behalf of People Magazine.

The hurricane was called Katrina and he headed to New Orleans, where he hooked up with a reporter and drove into the city and started shooting images.

His reporter got frightened and left town with their car, so my son ended up sleeping on the streets alone with his cameras for a night, then the next day found another news team that he hooked up with.

It turned out that the team working for People were challenged because there were no working ATMs so they had no money, their cell phones didn't work and they couldn't upload their images and reports to electronically submit them. In fact, People and the news service didn't hear from them for a day or two...

This situation was resolved when my son managed to find a working pay phone, and he used it to call People and request that they fly a plane with CASH and sat phones to the closest working airport. They did.

Then he called me and asked me to figure out how to get him some major antibiotics, as he had been spending those first days wading in water filled with dead bodies, and who knows what else.

I called a dentist client of mine and explained the situation and he called in a prescription to Walgreens in my son's name. We picked Walgreen's because of their network, which meant that he was able to go retrieve at some Walgreen's in the region, which he was able to find open.

I truly believe that my son could not have handled this situation had I not trained him to be self reliant and figure things out for himself.

By the way, he saved a houseful of nuns while he was in NO, shot some fantastic images one of which made the cover of People, and saw things that made seasoned war reporters cry.

It was truly a life-changing experience for him, but I doubt he would have lived through it if I had coddled him all his life, by giving up my own life so that he could live without learning to deal with life on his own terms.

Yes, I did help: I got him a prescription without his having to find an available doctor and an open clinic. The rest, however, he did on his own. And because he did so well, I see that as validation of my success as a parent.
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#208981 - 11/15/10 07:09 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: Anne Holmes]
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Validation as a sucessful parent.Thats the goal as we nurture year by year.And then payoff..the young birds soar using their own wings.
well done your boy Anne

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#208982 - 11/15/10 09:54 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: Mountain Ash]
Anne Holmes Administrator Offline
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Thanks, Mountain Ash,

That story is one of my favorites, and here is a link to the photo that made the cover of People: Zach Boyden-Holmes Katrina photo

By the way, I didn't know he had detoured to Katrina until his sister called to tell me. He didn't want me to worry...
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#208983 - 11/16/10 03:22 AM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: Anne Holmes]
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B61 -- I completely sympathize with what you're saying. My son just got laid off, and another of my kids is struggling mightily. I'm very sad about the trials the younger generation is going through, and sadder still about what my grandkids are living through.

While I appreciate all the advice that's being given, I don't think the situation these days is the same as when we were younger. The evidence is all out there staring at us -- having unregulated markets only helps the big bankers with millions to play with and also rewards them with a ridiculously low tax rate. I'm sorry, but I think the more one rakes in, the more one should contribute to the common weal.

I've been reading a great deal about the financial crisis and just watched a Frontline movie about how the big guys -- Alan Greenspan, especially -- wouldn't listen to a woman named Brooksley Born, chair of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission who tried during the '90s to regulate the derivatives market that finally caused the crisis of 2008 (and there was a smaller one in 1998). Back in the '70s, we didn't have this problem. It has been growing since the '80s, and really mushroomed in the '90s, and it's still lurking out there. We should all be demanding regulation! There are 5 Wall Street lobbyists for every single Congressperson, and the Congresspeople tend to think that the lobbyists are "experts" so they cave in to them.

Now we know, though, that even the bankers who were selling derivatives didn't fully understand them. And even the grand wizard himself, Alan Greenspan, said that his entire life philosophy based on Ayn Rand's teachings of "let the market regulate itself", admitted that he'd been wrong all his life. A sad thing for him to say, but good that he admitted it.

I too have struggled, lived with nothing, scraped by, and now live fairly comfortably. But I have to say, the world was simpler back in the 70s. The deck wasn't stacked against the average person the way it is now. There were still small, local banks, and friendly neighborhood local stores that hadn't yet been bought out by multinational corporations with headquarters in Hong Kong or Frankfurt or wherever, so you knew that the money you spent would circulate in the neighborhood. There were still locally owned radio and TV stations, whose owners lived in the communities. There were still local farms growing local food that wasn't raised in salmonella-producing conditions. We're all guilty of allowing ourselves to be bullied by these greedy wolves who are destroying our children's chance at decent lives.

I think we're on a page that hasn't been written before and are finding our way. There are no precedents for what's going on right now.

I don't plan to retire for quite some time (I enjoy my job too much anyway) and stand ready to help my children in any reasonable way.
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#208984 - 11/16/10 12:43 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: DJ]
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I think the whole disaster started with globalization. The world is every big company's market. Instead of concentrating on the local business, as you mentioned, it's all being swallowed by big world businesses. Then came the banks to add to the greed.

But I don't agree that printing money is the answer. That will lead to an even greater disaster. People have to think more modestly. Sort of like after a war. Everyone is in the same boat, and everyone has got to bake smaller bread loaves to make ends meet. People should just buy at their local stores, and not over internet anymore. And people need to help their neighbours that aren't so well off. Pull this through for the next 10 years, and I think the economy could be saved.

Okay...just fell off my podest.
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#208985 - 11/16/10 02:56 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: Edelweiss2]
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I agree that buying local keeps more money in the local economy - something like 70cents vs 30 cents buying at national companies. I don't remember the exact amount. There is a big push here to 'buy local'. We do whenever possible.
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#208992 - 11/17/10 05:10 AM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: yonuh]
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I've got nothing against buying local. I live in a small community where the only big box store is a Walmart. We are in an area that is mostly farmers and businesses which cater to tourism... without those small businesses our Main St. would be shuttered. And I shudder to think what that would mean.

Lots of validity in the discussion about the economy and what caused the mess we are in. And I DO believe that it is the small entrepreneurs who are going to pull us out of this...

But I'm not an economist, so I will let those of you who know more about this continue the discussion...


Edited by Anne Holmes (11/17/10 05:12 AM)
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#209002 - 11/17/10 02:54 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: Anne Holmes]
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I'm not an economist either. But I do know the wealthy are paying from 50 to 60% and sometimes more in taxes and seems
more than a reasonable contribution. If the people in charge
of distributing what's paid in taxes, would cut waste'n graft,
it seems those may be good ways to dissolve the national debt.
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#209003 - 11/17/10 02:57 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: jabber]
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Actually the rich aren't paying near that much in taxes. There are so many 'loopholes' that their money is mostly safe from taxes. And corporations aren't paying their share either as most of them have 'tax havens' where their money can't be taxed. I say do away with all the ways to get out of paying taxes then everyone can pay their fair share.
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#209005 - 11/17/10 03:06 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: yonuh]
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yonuh,
I like you gal, but the rich are paying that much and more. I agree that major corporations and religious groups and on and on
get off without paying their fair share. But individuals who've
worked their hands to the bone pay plenty!
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#209008 - 11/17/10 05:41 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: jabber]
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There are some interesting graphs and tables here:

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/250.html
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#209012 - 11/17/10 06:16 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: yonuh]
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Yonuh, is right. Because of all the loopholes, the rich don't ever pay 50-60% taxes. On the other hand, because of these loopholes, many charities, new housings, sponsorships, etc. are being supported. The money is doing something, and it's usually something good for the people.
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#209032 - 11/19/10 03:03 AM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: Edelweiss2]
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I have been very, very poor, have worked hard and am pretty comfortable now. It's easier for me to pay taxes now. It may be a higher dollar amount, but it doesn't hurt like it did back then. Why shouldn't I contribute? We all use the roads, my kids went to public schools, and my grandchildren do. I can afford to pay more than my kids can afford. In fact, if I have to pay a higher percentage of my income now that I can afford it, that doesn't seem unfair to me.

All of us were born into a world that others had built with their labor and sweat. They planted trees, built roads and bridges, libraries and schools with their taxes. We all owe something back, none of us did it alone.

These are the tax brackets:
# 10% on income between $0 and $8,375
# 15% on the income between $8,375 and $34,000;
# 25% on the income between $34,000 and $82,400;
# 28% on the income between $82,400 and $171,850;
# 33% on the income between $171,850 and $373,650;
# 35% on the income over $373,650;

If my son is earning $30K a year and has to pay 15% in taxes, that's about 4500, plus social security, which brings down his take-home pay to around 25K. It's pretty tight to live on that when rents are around 1000 a month, plus utilities. Car expenses, food, etc. But if I earned 200K and paid 33% -- or owed that much because I'd hire a good accountant to find shelters for me -- I'd be paying around 60K which is way more than my son, but I think I could live pretty well on 140,000.

But I don't earn that much and have plenty. We live pretty simply but I think we live well even though we aren't extravagant.

The financial crisis has roused a lot of folks to find out where all the money went, and what I've learned makes me sick. Our tax money has bailed out the Wall Street bankers and they're hoarding it. These guys have sent 5 lobbyists per every congressperson to write laws in their favor, which enabled them to make money, while the rest of us don't have lobbyists writing laws to help US make money. One thing we should be able to agree on is that the rich should pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes. If you look at that graph, do you really think it's fair that someone who earns up to 8,375 a year should pay as much as 10%??? And do you really think it's going to be a burden for someone earning 250,000 a year to pay 35% Back in the 1950s, they actually WERE paying more like 50% in the higher brackets. And adjusting for inflation, families did better then.
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#209034 - 11/19/10 02:33 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: DJ]
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Yonuh, Edelweiss, and DJ,
I've looked at those tables and tax bracket grafts; they are
interesting. No. I don't think lower income folks should
pay heavy taxes. And I do admire rich people giving to charities and the country's infrastructure upkeep. I realize the super
wealthy hide funds in other parts of the world. Yet I contend
if the corruption and graft were more tightly monitored and controlled, [that includes Wall Street] the national debt could
be scaled back.

Tonight's newspaper reports that the S.S. changes currently being considered, won't be implemented until todays 4-year-old's are ready to retire.

I'm thinking the problem here is, I haven't properly explained
background data to support my own stance. It's boring and I
outlined it a while ago.


Edited by jabber (11/19/10 07:58 PM)
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#209066 - 11/20/10 10:04 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: jabber]
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Yes, we give our children every opportunity to advance themselves through education, the bank of mom and dad,loans, second mortgages to make this happen for them, and have high hopes for them finally attaining their degrees and moving forward in their path. But the day to day life for our young adults, once they leave the college scene, is very hard reaching for them.It's about impossible for young adults today to make a decent living, much less start their family. Our lives were hard, back in the early 70's, but we always worked and did what we had to, as our parents did, and I am grateful our sons have a deep work ethic, but it wrenches me so to hear how difficult it is for them to make it month to month, let alone save for later- and I am SO thankful they are working and independent! It seems like young adults and young families today have to go out on a wing and a prayer to have the life we would wish for them.It's definitely not our parents lives, nor ours- and there aren't many ways to paint a prettier picture for them- we just have to know we gave them the tools to move forward, and trust we gave them strength and insight..and hope we didn't give them too much as to make them complacent. And pray really hard that they can achieve their life path and some semblance of decent life..and by that I mean just being able to look forward to their future and be savvy enough to plan for it.

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#209340 - 12/02/10 10:59 AM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: judym]
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All we can ever do as parents for our children, is feed them, nurture them, LOVE them, help them and comfort them and to give to them without any reward or any notice, has a special quality of it's own. We as parents give and give and pray they appreciate what we do for them, take it to heart and grow up to be kind and decent invividuals.
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#209435 - 12/05/10 08:22 PM Re: My Daughter got a Masters Degree! but wait... [Re: chatty lady]
judym Offline
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Amen and Amen, that is what we do...and hope they carry that caring spirit forward to their own lives and future generations...

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