My family problem.

Posted by: dancer9

My family problem. - 10/11/07 12:30 AM

Everyone is so good about sharing family problems here.I thought I would try to do so as well.

I have a sister in law who is abused by her husband. I know it is sexual and verbal as well and emotional and mental.
She is 44, with MS, and has had two children with him quickly, against her doctors advise. Her MS worsened because of this so she now has a one year old and a three year old.
She is the sole support of her family. Her retirement disability and her social security is what they live on. He refuses to work. Her leg and arm are going and she says she has to stop driving now. She is 44.
She is isolated in Virginia. She and he have a house in a small gated community in a small Virginia town. The community has it's own police force so when she, for example, cryed out to them that she was raped, they let it slide! They saw it as a "family problem," and did not bring in "real police," or the sheriff. She cannot get help there from family because they have all moved away.
Two years ago, my mother in law who lived there died in a head on collision. This left my sister in law alone in the small town with this situation. When my MIL died, the family came to the town for the service and called Child Protection for the children after seeing how they were treated and the danger they were in with only my SIL caring for them as her husband stays drunk and leaves all day. When CPS came they put her in some required counceling which is finished now and the children are in the same situation. They are yelled at when the two of them fight, they are driven when their father is drunk, and they get caught up in the fighting between their parents. They are in trouble.
Now, when we call CPS there is no way we can prove their is abuse because all we have is what she tells us and she DOES tell us what happens but they do not think it is enough to visit the home! It is as if he, her husband, is controlling her and her money and doing as he pleases with no one to stop him or check on his behavior.
Recently it got worse. My SIL found some porn, some YOUNG girls in photos in his truck and some web sites he was visiting. At the same time, his sisters wrote an open letter to the family about being abused by him, their brother, sexually, when they were young. Now there is a problem there. My sister in law called after finding him in bed naked with their three year old. He said he just fell asleep that way while caring for her.
We are at a loss. We don't think we can do anything else to help her.

Does anyone, (Dianne?) Have any ideas about this situation?

I thank you for reading and allowing me to put this somewhere in words. It is a big family problem that I landed in the middle of because the family wars but I am the one they all talk to when they fight.

dancer, frustrated.
I hope this made sense....
Posted by: Lola

Re: My family problem. - 10/11/07 05:52 AM

Hi, Dancer: Together with the discovery of child porn and the background of previous child abuse, the man has been discovered naked next to the child. I cannot stress strongly enough the urgency of action required in this case. The children MUST be removed from that environment IMMEDIATELY. As in NOW. The legal processes and the rest can follow later.
Posted by: Edelweiss

Re: My family problem. - 10/11/07 06:03 AM

Dancer, I’m afraid I can’t give you any advice on this. This is a tragic story, especially because your SIL has MS. I think Dianne is the best person to consult.

Just from my gut feeling, I would say the only thing you can do is help your SIL help herself. I’m not sure, but I think I once read or heard that MS victims get lethargic about their lives, so she will need tremendous support. She has to act now, as long as she is still able to. The longer she waits the more difficult (physically) it will be for her. But I’m sure you know this anyway.
Posted by: chatty lady

Re: My family problem. - 10/11/07 11:12 AM

My sister died in 1995 from the result of long battle with MS. They don't get lethargic, they become so helpless they need almost constant care and are afraid to be alone. My ex brother-in-law mentally, physically and probably sexually abused my sister. I went to Indiana and stayed there a year waiting for her divorce to be final. Of course he denied it all but I was able to discover proof and he had to back down. I moved her to NV. where she lived with me until she passed away. Thank God there were no children involved. Lola is right, someone needs to make a lot of noise to anyone in power who will listen and get those kids and your sister to safety. God Bless her and dam him for the abuse, she has enough of a cross to bear. My sister died miserably, demented and her spine curved, it was horribe and she cried all the time for the loss of the man she adored so much, he was her whole life for nearly 20 years. She always worked and made good money and he was fine until she became unemployable and so ill.. Talk about a RAT diserting the sinking ship...Leave no stone unturned Dancer to help her, MS is a horrible disease...
Posted by: Eagle Heart

Re: My family problem. - 10/11/07 01:01 PM

Dancer, I read your post last night and have been thinking/praying all night. As Lola said, those children MUST be removed from that environment immediately, but I don't have any clue as to how to make that happen, especially in a community where there doesn't seem to be much respect for enforcing the law. But it's a potentially disastrous situation and one where nobody can afford to give this man the "benefit of the doubt" any longer...as Lola said, act now (remove the children) and work out the legal details later.

Keeping you all in constant prayer...wish I knew what else to advise. Dianne and Lynnie would know more.

PS...I understand that Dianne is in Texas for a speaking engagement this week. I sent her an email giving her a 'heads-up' on this post so I'm sure when she has a moment she'll be here to help.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/11/07 11:35 PM

I just don't know how to get CPS to take action again... It's a small town and I must admit, I'm a city girl. I don't know how these small town "rent a cops," work or how CPS works in a community that is ruled pretty much by those who have money. She does have a nice home there in their little community so things slide by these police and never get out into the "real world." If anyone told a police officer that their husband had raped them and was crying hysterically, the police would take him in right away, no questions asked here where I am! Still, his abuse has her feeling unable to take care of herself when in fact, she is a stong minded woman who has taken care of herself all of her life.
She makes the excuses for him that all battered women do.
dancer, taking this hard, but hanging in.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/11/07 11:44 PM

Chatty, you are a lovely woman for sharing! I am so grateful because this is EXACTLY what looks like will happen. My SIL has been married less than 10 years to this man who has children with 3 other women! What you did for your sister is exactly what needs to be done for my sister in law but she is not yet in a wheel chair although she has told me she sees it coming. She does have a sister, my other SIL who has offered to take care of her if her husband is gone but she lives in Montana and he does everything he can to keep the two apart. There is a riff between them that is wide now and they were close until the day their mother died.
She will need this intervention and what you described is exactly what I will send to my other SIL to give her an idea of what can happen.
It is SO hard to watch this start to happen, Chatty, as I'm sure you know.
Did you have to wait until your sister was very incapacitated before you could intervene?
Your story is the closest I've heard, again, to what is happening here. She, too, had a good job and had much responsibility before this happened to her. This gave her a good retirement but not enough to support his spending habits and he does "con," her out of money constantly. She had credit card bills from him, for example, of 60,000 which she paid off with the proceeds of the sale of her mothers home, part of her inheritance.
No one in her family can get close to her while he is the wolf at the door unless he should get arrested. He tells her he is ill but nothing is ever diagnosed.
I could go on but I will not lay all of this out here.
I wanted to say thank you and any further help or information about how you dealt with it could be of great help.
thank you,
dancer
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/12/07 12:09 AM

Lola,
I SO wish I could get them interested again! They need to come to that home and remove the children!
dancer
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/12/07 12:21 AM

Anne, I'm in Arizona, and she's in Virginia.
dancer
Posted by: Lola

Re: My family problem. - 10/12/07 05:46 AM

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Lola,
I SO wish I could get them interested again! They need to come to that home and remove the children!
dancer





Dancer, where the children are at risk and the CPS authorities are slow with the pace to take action, perhaps, the extended family and trustworthy friends can pool their resources together. Can someone come and extend an invitation to the children for a sleepover, weekend visit, holiday etc, or even under any pretext, just to get them out of that very, very unsafe environment?

The children are my immediate concern here as they are the most vulnerable in this situation. Over and above your SIL. There is enough background to warrant action, any action for that matter, in this case. A man does not just happen to fall asleep naked next to a child. This is what bothers me. Immensely. Stranger as I am to the children.

Until removal of the children is taken, it might also be wise to advise your SIL to NEVER leave the children alone with the husband. Not even for a second of unsupervised moment.
Posted by: chatty lady

Re: My family problem. - 10/12/07 10:24 AM

Actually at the time was in Indiana my sister could walk, the paralysis came and went. I moved into her 5 bedroom home while I was there. My m other and i litrerally gragged her to an attorney to file for divorce. As long as I was there he didn't dare say anything or do anything to her. These cowards never stand up to anyone that they aren't sure they can't beat down. It took nearly a year for the divorce, he kept stalling, probably hoping I had a life to get back to here, which was true BUT I was willing to remain there untl she was free, got what she had coming and then brought her here to Vegas for a better life. She fot the house, his brand new caddy and a very large monthly amount because of her wortk history and her iliness. He was so ticked off, I thought he would explode in court. So she was successful except for the fact she adored this a//hole, and never stopped. I still think she died partially of a broken heart besides a broken body and spirit, and finally her mind went completely. He best never see me on the street.
Posted by: Dianne

Re: My family problem. - 10/12/07 03:29 PM

I only have a minute. Dancer, fly out there and get her and the kids, rent a u-haul and drive them back to AZ. I can make arrangements for them to stay at a great shelter. Just be sure she is willing to go with you before you make the effort to do this. Plus, be careful.
Posted by: Edelweiss

Re: My family problem. - 10/12/07 03:41 PM

Dianne! You are angel sent for these children.

http://www.straphaelcrystal.org/worship/prayers/guardian_angel.jpg

I think many of us will be praying that you will be able to accomplish this mission, Dancer.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/13/07 12:21 AM

Hannelore,I shall not give up. I will see this through with her older sister involved as well. Someone needs to keep an eye out for her and her children and if I see an opening where I can get in and get to her, I will take it. Her sister has offered to let her live with her and this sister would be great as far as a caretaker as well as having a degree in early childhood.
I'm trying but I get so frustrated everytime I hear something else.
Example:
Recently, she took her mother's ashes, which she literally stole from the family home when they were there originally, and went to Hawaii to scatter them.
None of her siblings were there to scatter them with her and she called me before doing it. She said she was having second thoughts about leaving her three siblings out of it.
Her husband offered to scatter them for her there in Hawaii and for some reason, told her that if she would not scatter them then they must remain in the luggage and "he better not see them."
She returned from Hawaii, ashes in tow, and now she has them and is waiting again for her siblings to be able to join her. Her mother did not choose Hawaii to be her last resting place either!
These sorts of acts, or acting out, are really the influence of her husband trying to cut her off from her siblings and in doing that, her whole family. Her father, step father and mother have all passed. She is alone except for her siblings and myself.
It is scary, really. To speak to her in Hawaii was so traumatic for me because it was right after she found his porn and they were battling in front of the children.
She has two grown children from a first marriage as well.
Again, she is 44.
dancer, always confused on this.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/13/07 12:33 AM

Her sister and I would do that, Dianne, but she won't leave him. It's the same ol story. She makes excuses for him, fights with him about his abuses, forgives him and tells us, "I want this marriage to work."
You have been all over this sort of relationship, I know. There is no way we can force her but she gets close to divorcing him often. Many times she has said she has said she has had enough. The last time, he did threaten her with a messy divorce and a fight over her children. He would not take them but he convinced her enough for the dance to start again.
It is frustrating but I cannot leave it alone with a one year old child, and a three year old, both girls, in that home.
I am waiting for him to break the law again, which he has and for her to call. If this happens I am going to get the "real police," called there and get them involved. This would get him arrested and start the ball rolling again. As I said, child protection has intervened once but we cannot get enough evidence to satisfy them when we are out of state. We do report when we hear the abuses though.
It is hard, really hard, because her MS is flaring.
Again, she is the sole support for the family, it is her social security and disability retirement from her job which was good enough to provide a decent amount of money monthly to take care of her, and her girls.
dancer, trying
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/13/07 12:41 AM

Chatty, thank you.I took the liberty of sending your last post to her sister and it was able to reach her more than anything I've seen come at her. It can't be easy for you to talk about something so painful so know you are helping another sister in your place now.

Her sister wants her to come live with her very badly. She is willing to care for her and as I said, she has a degree in early childhood so the children would be in good hands. It is a matter of her crying out for help. She has come close to divorcing this pig more than once. The last time we really thought she would but he threatened a messy divorce and I know it scared her. She came back to "I want this marriage to work." She keeps reaching out to her sister though, and sometimes through me, and she knows that sister will NOT accept her husband in her life. She knows her sister will help her in an instant if she will leave her husband. She does not love him but I know she fears him. She has some sort of hold on her that he keeps through his abuse and verbal B.S.
She is 44 now with her leg and her arm pretty much "gone,' as she says. She told me recently that she must give up driving and is coming to terms with it and also she said she knows someday she will need a wheel chair. That is the place she is at this time in her situation.
It is so hard to watch but her sister and I remain in wait. I recieved a call from her yesterday but have yet to call back. Because of your sharing I have the faith to call her back and not feel defeated already before we talk.
I can handle the call better due to you as well.
Thank you again so very much for sharing what must be painful for you. It is so much help.
dancer
I will send this along to her sister again. I hope you do not mind... It is, as I said, so much help to her.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/13/07 01:23 AM

Lola,I so agree with you, the children come first. The problem is that when her mother died suddenly, her sister left the state and she is the ONLY family member in the state of Virginia! We are all California/Arizona people. If anyone could intervene on the childrens behalf, they would have to do it long distance and we have all made reports but they have told us that our word is not sufficent enough to take action. When the family was there for her mother's memorial service, they were able to get Child Protection to visit the home and they DID give them some required therapy that lasted a short time. Now that everyone is home again, it's hard to get enough evidence to get them to take action.
On a better side, my SIL IS strong enough to watch her daughters as much as she can to keep them safe but no one can stop him if he is so inclined and we just aren't sure, we want Child Protection to go in for other abuses, yelling at the children, the danger of them being alone with my SIL in the car with her MS, the danger gets worse and worse as her MS gets worse. She forgets things and has forgotten the baby outside! She yells at them in rages, and I reported this in detail to the CPS office but "not enough!"

She has made contact again and left me a message. I will call her back and see if it is yet another problem with her husband. If it is and it is an offense I can report, I will. Also, she will call her sister if she is upset and if that is about her husband and is a offense by him, she will call the sheriff and ask them to do a "well check," on her sister.
We may have her in another one of her divorce moods now. I will let you all know what she says when I talk to her tomorrow. She almost never leaves the house now but only four months ago she was taking her children with her to meet a friend for drinks! I reported that too.
I'm trying and I thank you for trying with me. I thank you for caring.
This is my major family problem and I have been trying to do my best in it for a long time now. I became aware of it when my MIL died and that was almost to the day, two years ago.
If it were my sister I would have more power here. Her sister wants her to come live with her but she is stubborn about leaving that man! I also know she fears him. He drives around in a new truck she bought him with a gun and sometimes he takes the children with him! It's a scary thing. They live in this upper line gated community with, as I said, it's own "police force!" If they were real police, it'd be over already!
Wish me luck, round 102!
dancer
Posted by: Lola

Re: My family problem. - 10/13/07 07:35 AM

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On a better side, my SIL IS strong enough to watch her daughters as much as she can to keep them safe but no one can stop him if he is so inclined... we want Child Protection to go in...I reported this in detail to the CPS office but "not enough!"...





Precisely why it is so disturbing, Dancer.

The CPS is bound by duty to even err with caution in cases of child abuse. It is not as if they do not possess a previous record of intervention with the family. Surely, they ought to be able to even consider that perhaps counselling sought in the past had not helped and the situation has only gotten worse. In this case, it was not enough to pare the rotten side of the bad apple. So, where that process is moot, aided and abetted physical intervention outside of it is necessary.

It would be wise to discuss with your SIL "wilful neglect" of the children where there is, by her own admission and submissions, an imminent threat to them. A harsh approach. But, the threat to the children is harsher. And, I hope she sees it for what it is, as that may be the manner it will be treated should anything further happen to the children. If such is presented to your SIL, it might assist you and the sister by enforcing upon your SIL the immediate decision she has to make and the necessity for an expedient departure from the husband. There could be legal repercussions if she prevaricates any further. She was ALREADY duty-bound to have removed the children, at first instance, following the circumstances she found him in bed with the child. IF your SIL omits to act, I would suggest for the sister to seek legal advice where a protective custody can perhaps be sought for children at risk.

Dancer, the burden of this problem and the mechanics with which to resolve it is truly and deeply appreciated. It is a guarantee that a whispered prayer is offered for each time a post in this thread is read and replied to. And, it will continue to be carried in prayer after it has been visited.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/13/07 10:55 PM

Lola, you write beautifully. Your points are well taken and I thank you for them. I also thank you for your compassion.
I am about to call my SIL.
dancer
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/13/07 11:40 PM

I just spoke to my SIL. She told me that her MS is worsening so she has an MRI scheduled soon. She told me that her three year old will be going to a sort of day care/play group to give her a break. This might be the break for us too because the girl will be in the hands of others and out of the house. She said her husband is still ill and cannot work or do much at home.
I told her than her sister was willing to take her in with her children at any time and all she said was: "okay."
She told me that I should know she is stubborn and does not like to ask for help. I asked her about her marriage and she told me again that all he was is ill.
I tried to talk about her MS and the children and keep her focused and all I could get her to agree to was that she needed help with her children.
I am thinking that, again, having the children out of the home will give us all a chance to try to cause something to happen with CPS through her "play group."
dancer
Posted by: Lola

Re: My family problem. - 10/14/07 06:35 AM

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I told her than her sister was willing to take her in with her children at any time and all she said was: "okay."...




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I only have a minute. Dancer, fly out there and get her and the kids, rent a u-haul and drive them back to AZ. I can make arrangements for them to stay at a great shelter. Just be sure she is willing to go with you before you make the effort to do this. Plus, be careful.




Dancer, I have emphasized in bold from Dianne's advice where it coincides and implementation of its entirety can now be taken albeit the destination is her sister's house and not a shelter's. Better perhaps, as the children will have family around them.

Whilst a playgroup is a relief in so far as the children are out of the house, it can only offer a temporary break to a 24-hour period.

Hoping and praying for all to go well.
Posted by: Dotsie

Re: My family problem. - 10/14/07 12:45 PM

dancer, I recalled having heard that stress worsens MS. Check out this article:

http://www.msactivesource.com/msavProjec...s/ms-stress.xml

If you Google MS and stress, you will find other articles. I'm feel certain the stress isn't helping her.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/14/07 05:17 PM

She knows this, Dotsie, but thank you, I sent the article directly to her!
dancer
Posted by: Dianne

Re: My family problem. - 10/14/07 06:45 PM

A battered woman will leave and return on an average of seven times before she leaves for good. She may not have reached this quota yet.

Until she decides to leave, there is nothing you can do.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/15/07 12:14 AM

that is exactly the problem, Dianne. Now, if only I could find a way to help the children and keep them safe. I'm not giving up. It's been awhile now. At least I got to share this and get some good advise as well as some support.
dancer9
Posted by: Dianne

Re: My family problem. - 10/16/07 07:38 PM

Just keep "loving her though it." Be there for her if she needs to talk. It's important because these abusers always tell the women that nobody cares about them and if we back away, we prove them true. It's difficult and frustrating but you sound like a wonderful source of support for her.
Posted by: dancer9

Re: My family problem. - 10/17/07 12:15 AM

Thank you, Dianne, that means a lot coming from you.
I can't believe that a lifetime friend can be in the position of being in an abusive relationship AND have MS!

She was so dynamic when she worked, she was in management for a large company. She is now almost a shell of what she was but her life force is still very strong! If she would only apply all that energy she has towards leaving this animal, all would be fine.
But I wait, I have the net for her to fall in place with everything ready to take care of her, and make her personally comfortable. I only hope she falls into it.

Thanks everyone. I'll post if anything changes in the situation. I'm so glad I put it here. I took a chance...

dancer9
Posted by: Dianne

Re: My family problem. - 10/17/07 05:28 PM

BTW, that was supposed to say love her through it.

I'm so glad she has you to lean on.