Having a hard time here...

Posted by: ariadne54

Having a hard time here... - 11/19/05 10:03 PM

Hi, Boomers,
I'm reluctant to post about this here, after the response I had with my last thread. (I'm not communicating with the Maine fella, btw!, LOL!)

My grade school/high school/college and beyond old flame visited here in WV for the second time in one month. He went off to Harvard after leaving the coalfields of WV where we grew up together, encouraging each other to pursue our educations. He is a mediation lawyer for labor groups now, and had a hearing down here. A rare opportunity to see an old friend/flame! I have seen him now three times in 30 years. The first meeting, I met his lovely wife, who generously left us alone together for dinner and visit. During this last visit, which I was actually dreading because it dredges up so much emotion in me. These last two visits, during which he was here without wife, I've told him, despite our mutual love and feelings of attraction, I intended to behave as if his wife were present. During our last evening together, after dinner out, he cried for most of an hour here at my house, expressing emotion and desire for me like no other man has or ever will, I'm sure. I remained strong and somewhat detached! I did!, though I do love him. What point is there in acting out irrationally, then living with the consequences of heartache? I'm glad I remained strong, not acting out in some irresponsible way.
He even stated that he will try to find more work down here in my area! He's so intelligent, sexy and attractive. No other man could attract me and elicit such emotions. I'm left feeling a void, almost wishing I had gone ahead, ya know. But my 8 years since divorce have been filled with heartache and I'm better off alone, not extending myself.
Upon his arrival back home, I rec'd an email reflecting upon our visit lovingly, while at the same time mentioning wife happily baking cookies, being funny. Whew! Where would I be now if I had acted on my emotions?
ARI
Posted by: Dianne

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/19/05 11:57 PM

Okay, in love I'm going to say this. Like I used to, I think you somehow attract and are attracted to men who aren't necessarily nice.

If a married man said and did the things this man said, I'd want to vomit. A nice man doesn't plan or try to find ways to connect with old girlfriends and cheat, even if it's just emotionally.

So my dear friend, I want to encourage you to seek therapy and find the deep rooted feelings, which are probably not nice, to discover why you would continue to communicate with a man like this.

Yes, you have a history with him but how would you feel if you were in his wife's shoes? How would you like your husband to say these things and then, continue to communicate via e-mail? No, you didn't act on your feelings but I'm reading between the lines here and something just ain't kosher about it all.
Posted by: ariadne54

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 12:07 AM

Thanks, Dianne, and yes, you are probably right.
I do know if I were married to such a man, I'd be very uncomfortable and anxious about it. He describes both himself and his wife as keeping in touch with old loves, seeing them. Very confusing to me.
Thanks,
Ari
Posted by: chickadee

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 12:09 AM

ariadne, he mentioned his wife happily baking cookies while reflecting upon your visit. I smell more than cookies. Kids maybe? Or maybe a coverup in case "poor, dear wife" accidently finds the email. He's married, He's off limits...he's selfish...he's a jerk. If he really "CARED" about anyone besides himself,he wouldn't be acting like the jerk that he is... behind his wife's back and right in front of your face..
When he cuts ties and I mean cuts ties with his family...are you going to be there to pick up the pieces...and live a miserable life with someone you could never trust anyway.
Ariadne...you yourself said it best anyway when you said
quote:
" But my 8 years since divorce have been filled with heartache and I'm better off alone, not extending myself."
In this case hun, I believe you are right.
I may seem cold here, but I have your best interest at heart, sister. Hang til you meet your soulmate...you know...the one that will love "you" forever.
chick
Posted by: Whirlwind

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 12:13 AM

Wow, this is a huge can of worms.

To think that he put on that display and put you in the position of being "the strong one" shows so much lack of consideration on his part. Ditto with the email, sent from his happy home with his wife baking cookies, while you're at home still thinking about him.

Think for a moment, what if you did hook up with him? Could you live with a man like that, knowing how he acted without his wife around? If you were the wife waiting at home while he was traveling, would you always be wondering if he was seeing someone else?

I'm no expert and have my own struggles from time to time as you all know. But I'd tell this one "it's been nice seeing you again, but I don't think we need to see each other or have any more contact."

Even if you only see him when his wife is around (which probably wouldn't happen very often), or just communicate by email, your feelings and emotions are going to stay stirred up. And if you did get involved with him, it would be even worse every time he'd leave to go back home. At least that's what it would do to me.

Unless you want to be his "out of town distraction" stop this before it goes any further.

There are good ones out there, who are free to get into a real relationship. We just need to keep looking. Good luck....

Whirlwind
Posted by: Whirlwind

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 12:20 AM

OK, I've read the other replies that were posted while I was typing mine.

If he and his wife both "see" and communicate with "old loves" they might have an open marriage.

If/when we get into a relationship, we deserve men who are going to treat us with love and respect, men who are committed to US and nobody else.

I know this is hard, but it will get easier as time goes by. Be strong.

WW
Posted by: ariadne54

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 12:20 AM

Meeting a soulmate, Chickadee...I doubt that will happen.
But I appreciate your clarity in helping me work thru this. A jerk? I don't know, but off limits, definitely.
We've been emailing for years now, alternately receiving loving messages from him while mentioning the wife also.
I gotta get a life!
ARI
Posted by: chickadee

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 01:02 AM

ariadne... I'm sorry about saying he's a jerk. I shouldn't have said that. I apologize.I am here for you. I don't think he's your soulmate that's for sure. You know this won't end up anywhere, I can tell.
chick
Posted by: Daisygirl

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 04:07 AM

If he's not a jerk, he sure does have some emotional and character problems.

Does he say he's getting a divorce? Actually, I still wouldn't see him again, because he'd be likely to do the same thing again with another woman.

Daisygirl
Posted by: ariadne54

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 06:59 AM

I am hearing such wise responses here.

You know, just in the past couple of days in surveying my youth with this man, really growing up together, reaching our young adulthood around the time of the end of the Vietnam war, I recall sensing I would be hurt by him, and we drifted apart.

In his conversations this past weekend, he stated he didn't want to be tied to someone who restricted him from seeing people he loved and cared for. Apparently, he is married to a woman who trusts him, or who accepts him. I do know, if I were his wife, I'd be very anxious under the same circumstances.

It is good to finally come to terms with this after all of these years. I can let it go now without wondering, or longing to hear from him via emails.

Thanks all of you for the caring responses.
ARI
Posted by: Dotsie

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 07:35 PM

Ari, perhaps you have enough closure now to carry on without him.

I just want to mention that I think you sell yourself short. After reading most of your threads you seem as though you are a very loving, thoughtful, woman who practices self-control. You are kind and caring. Why couldn't you meet your soul mate at this time in your life? Just wondering. Believe in yourself! We believe in you...
Posted by: ariadne54

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 07:49 PM

I think you are right, Dotsie, about the closure.
It really DOES feel like closure!

And as far as meeting men, I'm not interested at this time of my life for some reason. I'm content, and it occurred to me this morning as I was tidying my house, that I wouldn't want a man in my space, no matter how loving I felt toward him.

I was dreading this last visit with the old flame because I knew it would dredge up emotions in me. It did!, but I know I did the right thing.

ARI
Posted by: Daisygirl

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/20/05 11:14 PM

Ari, I've been tempted by married men a couple of times. One time the married gent I refused to date got back with his wife. I saw them together about a month later. I knew them because their son went to hs with mine and played sports. I was so pleased! It's not an easy thing to do, because we have to go home to our lonely life with no one there to pat us on the back for doing the right thing.

I believe that marriage is a sacred thing and I would not want to be a party to one ending. And I think if we are sympathetic to these men who are out looking for someone else, it's encouraging them to stray. If we keep our principles, like you did, maybe it would save a marriage. The men would also learn that we women are not desperate and willing to accept any little tidbit they have left to give.

Daisygirl
Posted by: ariadne54

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/21/05 01:49 AM

Thanks, Daisy,

First of all, this man is NOT going to leave his wife, and stated that they would be together until death. Acknowledging that, I realized I could settle for a "little tidbit" which would result in heartache. I've lost my taste for heartache! LOL! As Chatty has said, "My God, woman, do you have to have a building fall on your head?" Not any more.
Thanks all,
ARI
Posted by: chatty lady

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/21/05 04:31 AM

Well shut my mouth Ari, you did pay attention to what I said to you, good for you. It is such a shame for we single women out here that these jerks (yes and they are too) prey on what they consider poor helpless, needy women and say whatever they think we need to hear to weaken our resolve so we'll give them the green light to pass goal and collect the $200. dollars of our body....They don't care that they never meant a word they said and will go home to their families leaving misery behind to keep us company, never look back or give a dam until they are in town the next time and want some more of the same....Ari any woman that messes with a married man is a whore, plain and simply. These married cheaters aren't worth the wind it would take to blow them to hell, steer clear, stay focused and free from guilt and heartache...Hugs
Posted by: ariadne54

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/21/05 04:56 AM

Yes, we can count on Chatty to tell it like it is! not mincing words! I do appreciate it too, Chatty! Hey, your "building falling on my head" is a mantra of mine now!
About the forum here, I just want to say I'm grateful to have found the company of strong women who respond with compassion and intelligence. Very empowering and inspiring!
ARI
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/21/05 07:41 PM

Ariadne54:

I rather understand your feelings, I too, have been attracted to unavailable men. This man is married, please seek other counsel or interests to occupy the time wasted on such men. They are not worth it, but you are!
Posted by: Dotsie

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/22/05 02:30 AM

"but you are!" Love it.
Posted by: Dianne

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/22/05 03:30 AM

I think if we're attracted to men who are not available, it might be a way of never allowing a relationship to go to another stage. It can't because he's married. Might be a mental stop sign in a way...one of safety.
Posted by: chatty lady

Re: Having a hard time here... - 11/22/05 04:18 AM

Safety for who Dianne? Lets break it down, not safe for the women with her sites on the married man, she can only feel used an abused eventually. Not safe for the wife who's in the dark and can't understand the change in her husband attitude towards her. Not even safe for the jerk cheater, he always has to fear the first two coming together...A married man or woman needs to be "off limits" to anyone other than their spouse....
Posted by: katebcca

Re: Having a hard time here... - 01/18/06 11:57 AM

Old Flames can bring up many emotions that can catch you off guard. I am not saying that it is ok to get together with an old flame if your married,it's not, but I have been in the situation where I have met up with an old flame and have been overcome with emotion. There is a site called lostlovers.com that has a message board as there are many, many people that are reconnecting with past loves these days. Most of these people are married but often unhappy and did not have closure all those years ago which is the reason for the overwhelming emotion. I think we all have someone from the past that we think about and wonder what if!
Although most people would not have an affair under normal circumstances, some people get caught up in the emotion and do things that they wouldn't normally do when they reconnect. Although I understand this as I have been there, I still don't think it's ok to cheat or even have an emotional affair. But, there is no denying it can be challenging. The fact that this man your speaking of has no intention of leaving his wife, and it appears just wants to have an affair is a sign to run, don't stop just run. ariadne54, acknowledge the attraction and be proud of your strength and control to not give into this man. He was behaving irrationally and who needs that. But for those of us who have been there, it is very difficult to resist an old flame.
Posted by: chatty lady

Re: Having a hard time here... - 01/19/06 12:08 AM

Just pucker up your lips and BLOW out that flame. It can only get you a bad burn....
Posted by: ariadne54

Re: Having a hard time here... - 01/21/06 01:54 AM

Hi Boomers,

I've been away for a while now, taking two very demanding grad classes which are writing-intensive, as well as full time teaching and trying to keep up my little art business.
For me, there is nothing better than continued education for personal development and emotional centering, and so, that is my priority right now.

Yes, I do still hear from the fella in emails. In our last email exchange, he mentioned wanting to come down here to WV (he is in Boston), either by soliciting more work here, or not! I responded that I would not encourage him in that, since I think of him happily there with his wife and family. His response to that was a little defensive and pouty, but I hear from him regularly about him and the wife doing this and that happily. That keeps me centered. At the same time, he is the only man with whom I can communicate intelligently on a variety of subjects, plus, our shared backgrounds in rural Appalachia. It is hard to turn my back on this.

Just know I respect all of your opinions here.
Ari