Smile you may have hit on something here. My ex had a daughter only a few years younger than me who lived in Cal. she would visit 6 to 8 times a year. I always made sure to be with my husband when she was there because she was openly hostile (jealous) My ex knew there was friction but he was a REAL MAN and put me, his wife first in all ways all the time SO to try to reward him I went out of my way to be cordial and after a year of me, she came around and we became great friends whether he was there or not. I still blame the Diannes husband for not kindly letting his sons know that this is his choice, his wife and they will respect her. Dianne sounds like they have beat you and you've given in... [Frown]