This is so true, Dotsie! Its easy to understand why those in states not bordering Mexico do not understand our problems. They do not live with it everyday so they see the country in a sort of romantic way. That's not hard to understand. I think we that live in border states are trying very hard to tell the other states the truth so we can get some help but it sounds as if we are militant. We are not militant, just reasonable in this mess.
Ithink we must be tolerant of others who do not understand for lack of experience with the problem while they need to ttry to understand our frustration.
dancer9

Mrs Madness, I agree somewhat with your statements. However, unless you live in a city bordering Mexico, you cannot judge the problems we face alone. Our borders are visited by everyone including the president, (whatever good that does,) because it is a REAL problem over here. A separate problem, I'll give you that, but a real and big problem. I don't employ illegals but if you were here you could see the illegals lining up for work everyday and the trucks driving by to pick them up as they need them for day labor. No, they should not have to do these jobs in 120 degree weather, but if they were legal they would have other options! I'm all for these people losing their cheap help if the illegals are taken care of, it's wrong to employ them to use them and save of labor, I agree. It's just a loss people who use illegals will have to deal with! It's just that OUR resources are taxed by illegals and there are the stat's to prove it.
I understand, again, your point of view and you are right, plently of Americans NEED health care badly and NOW. It's a separate issue is all I'm trying to say.
dancer9

Ms Madness, until you walk a mile in our shoes here in the United States of America, bordering the Mexican border..?....?....well you get my drift! I am apparently not as polite as Dancer9 has been.

I know the people glutting our health care here where I live aren't legal because they have to carry a colored card, and they ALLLLLLL have them in their hot little hands while waiting for FREE medical care.

What galls me is we as Americans can't get "FREE" health care, or even reasonably priced health care, so why should these illegals get it FREE????

Oh and about the crime, once these criminals are caught, and they usually are, THATS WHEN you find out their illegals, most can't even speak one word of english.

MY dear friend is a Homicide Detective and he tells me plenty of what the public only gets a tiny bit of in the news.

Oh, and before some bleeding heart says I am prejudice, my younger sister married a hispanic gentleman, he is not illegal, nor are any of his very large family and they are wonderful people who hate what the illegals are causing too. Oh, and my Uncle who married my mothers sister and my three cousins are also hispanic.

I'm not prejudice against any race, but I am prejudiced against injustice and am sick to death of the favortism shown NON citizens, while American citizens get crapped all over, we're the ones footing these bills...

Chatty Lady,
I know how right you are. YOU are being polite too and I know that. The problem is that many other states have no idea what the many Mexican gangs are capable of or the threat they pose to the community and the country. They have not experienced the complete annilation of our city like we have. They just don't have any idea what we are facing. It's hard to explain that every one of us knows someone who has been a victim of violent crime by an illegal. (My friends sister murdered by a group of illegals doing "yard work.) It is hard for us to help them understand. I think it's going to take a state by state basis to fix this. Your state, mine, CA, and probably Texas are going to have to take it into their own hands, if possible.
I am being polite, but I don't know, again, how to describe the horrors we see.
Be safe, ok?
dancer9

It's hard to know what the "annilation" means. Living standards, people..?

What are the problems, then? Educate us with articles and reports from the local school boards and health care authorities.

Maybe the best way to solve this is that an illegal should wear a button that says "I'm an illegal", just like the Jews had to wear their Star of David in Germany. Then some folks will find out who they are truly being served as a customer, who their neighbours are.. It would help accomplish the head count more accurately.

The people are there in your community now. So what is the solution? Would complete deportation affect your local economy? Of oourse it solve partially the local health care system in patient care load.

So most illegals are not contributing the local economy, not even as consumers? The ones who have good intentions by sending money back home/foreign country to family, probably are also buying a few things locally.. well, they have to buy food...


the other option is for the U.S. to limit their stay or else they get deported. Or maybe that exists already? I don't know U.S. law in this area.

In the end, I don't support illegals jumpstarting over others who are waiting in line to be given the official written approval from immigration authorities. But if they are working productively, living honestly/within their means and buying goods honestly, etc., ..and Americans don't want to do their job, well ....

As for the border states taking things into their own hands, ...to have militias/watchdog groups?

Vancouver is only 40 kms., north of Canada-U.S. border. Just recently there was American watchdog group of U.S.citizens on the U.S. side, near one of our suburbs which borders the international lines. They were on the watchout for terrorists....from Canada. I remember the newspaper photograph. This was about 1 yr. ago.

Ironically Canadians are acutely aware the amount of illegal guns comes from the ...U.S. Same for drugs, by garbage size loads and smuggling.

Geez. Better to leave that to the federal authorities in both Canada and U.S. government. They understand the proper law of arrest, etc.

As for the illegals who don't know English..still..well, I better start on my mother first, who is Canadian citizen and still doesn't know much English..after 49 years in Canada. Pathetic, but we couldn't "deport" my mother, could we? My mother, the lazy bum , who only got her citizenship finally ....20 years later after being a legal resident and after raising 6 children.

My partner went back to Germany to visit relatives. He ticked off to hear some relatives rant about the Turkish migrant workers, "stealing" jobs in Germany. He felt it was hypocritical when alot of these workers were taking low-end jobs.

He felt it was a good thing I wasn't with him to visit his relatives.

You are welcome to Canada. Complain about the illegals and but be also good Americans and just don't complain to U.S. federal govn't/Homeland Security to extend the new U.S. passport deadline requirements anymore which U.S. passports will be required of Americans travelling into Canada in the future.

Note: In speaking with our foreign (these are college and university educated folks) employees direct from germany, phillipines, india, sri lanka on work visas, the U.S. is more strict than Canada, in requiring these folks to have travel visas just for them to go from Canada to the U.S. to visit/tour for a few days, etc. Already the U.S. has stricter controls now. I realize the illegals from Mexico, some are physically running the border.

Just for the record, so you know my shoes have walked there, I lived 25 years in Texas and 15 years in California.

I know scapegoating when I see it. I stand by my evaluation that illegal aliens and foreigners have not created and cannot fix the health care fiasco in America.

America is the only developed country in the world without some kind of universal health care program. The US is one of only 4 countries on the planet that has no maternity leave policy for mothers. As I recall Lesotho and Bangladesh were 2 of the others.....

America has no defensible reason that 46 million of her people lack basic health care. Trillions of dollars are being spent yearly, with billions of dollars of profit bing made. It's time to look at health care a a basic human need, not a cash cow.

The USA is very much a co-signer to the United Nations HUman Rights Agreement drawn up in 1948. Here is article 25:

Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

It looks to me like the US is failing to comply.

Mrs. Madness, I think it makes a difference that we know the other system and how it works. Socialized medicine is so fantastic. I agree...no one should suffer under medical drawbacks because they don't have the money, not even the poor illigal immigrants.
Can't help but wonder about the Christian soul, and the belief that we are all God's children.
I can't help but wonder why the most powerful nation in the world can't "afford" to help their own people in need...when smaller countries manage to do that.

To me it spells Coruption. The weapon industry gets supported by tax money...why not the medical industry? That creates more jobs, buildings,and revenue as well.

Like Lola once said, the next President who supports a socialized medical care gets my vote.

Corruption is an international problem. Crime commissions and judicial watchdog groups are setup to police various issues. But tackling worldwide corruption and big business politics is a huge undertaking.

Hiring illegal immigrants has reached all the way to NY State. I heard of an area problem, just yesterday. Some local builder had to replace his crew, because he'd unwittingly hired all illegals the first time around.

I'd like some of you to know, that the core of American society is made up of hard working, God loving people. My adoptive dad worked from 4:30 a.m. until 9:30 p.m. everyday till he reached the age of 90. And most of the folks I've known over the years, are hard working, honest and loving.

I'd like to see medical coverage for everybody; but, there are those that think it's a bad idea.

If other countries think the US is such a bummer, how come everybody wants to come here? Why don't they stay home and heal their own problems!!!

Somewhere in the Bible there, it says something like, "Get the pole out of your eye before you try to take the toothpick out of somebody else's."

Political resolve. That's really where it ought to start. Thereafter, and most importantly, the delivery of socialised medicine must be agreeable and/or workable amongst the citizens.

The NHS in the UK was established two years after WWII. By a country devastated by war and, where its citizens still coped with rations of basic commodities until the late '50's. It was also financially indebted to the US under the Lend Lease Agreement for defence costs and re-building which the UK has ONLY paid in full this year...2007. The US did not have to rebuild from collateral damage and was the most prosperous of all nations immediately after WWII.

Socialised medicine in the UK is based on need and not ability to pay. And, this is provided ACROSS THE BOARD. That includes medical care for those who do not contribute to National Insurance in this country which would mean the unemployed, the refugee, the undocumented worker and, in some cases, even the tourist. Where medical care is needed, it will be given. Such is the spirit of socialised medicine. Generally, the attitude of those who contribute, do not begrudge those who cannot or do not. Nor would it be begrudged that Person A would avail of the NHS far more often than Person B if the case were such that both contribute equally.